Defense

**acgclone** · 01-30-2013, 10:45 PM

We played as very well offensively tonight and against KU and still lost. I hope Fred gets the message that at some point we have to recruit guys that can play post D. Until that happens we won't beat teams with a pulse on the road

**kingcy** · 01-30-2013, 10:51 PM

When you play teams with many scoring threats it is hard to play good D. One little mistep and they score. You have to play perfect every time down the court to stop them and that just doenst happen. In the NBA do they play bad D or are the players just talented enough to overcome the D?

**cyguytillidie** · 01-30-2013, 11:13 PM

I thought the major problem was the lack of rebounding in the last 10 minutes. Looked like we just decided we did a good enough job up to that point and we could stop crashing the boards.

**awd4cy** · 01-30-2013, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by tyler24

I have not seen seen a cyclone team that is as poor of defenders as these guys. We have a couple good individual defenders but we have to rely on our bigs so much when the guards get beat. Notice the bigs are the only ones ever in foul trouble? I understand we are a fast pace offense and going to give up points, but a couple of our guys get really lazy, get beat, and cause our bigs to get stupid fouls. For some reason we do not get hands up in the face of the shooter when they shoot. If we ever figure out how to become a good defensive team, we will be competing with Kansas year in and year out for Big XII titles.

The worst ISU team on defense that I have seen is still the 2005-06 season (Wayne Morgan's last year). That really was awful.

**swarthmoreCY** · 01-31-2013, 12:09 AM

Ok St is good on offense and our offense does not minimize possessions. No way to prove it, but I doubt LE or Floyd would have had a better stop % against this Ok St team. A shot-blocking center would help though.

**stateofmind** · 01-31-2013, 12:17 AM

OK St has a shot-blocking center, but our offense kept him on the bench.

**Cyclonepride** · 01-31-2013, 06:19 AM

OSU has top ten talent with top 150 focus. I think our guys played a hell of a road game. Just couldn't get a break down the stretch with all the calls going the wrong way.

**tyler24** · 01-31-2013, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by kingcy

When you play teams with many scoring threats it is hard to play good D. One little mistep and they score. You have to play perfect every time down the court to stop them and that just doenst happen. In the NBA do they play bad D or are the players just talented enough to overcome the D?

The NBA also has spacing a lot like ours so it makes it harder to play defense against some of the top players in the world. We aren't playing teams that are that good at spacing, we are playing other college teams.

**Bobby45** · 01-31-2013, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by VeloClone

It was two McDonalds AA's that carried OSU offensively tonight.

Amen Brother those 2 players were the difference in this game.

Time for Fred to start recruiting McDonald's All Americans !!

**canker2323** · 01-31-2013, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by acgclone

This team can't play D when they need it most. On the road, teams can almost score at will in the paint. It's going to be very hard for us to win more than 1 more road game with the kind of interior D we play.

ISU is pretty small and not very strong inside. If you want to see bad defense, re-watch some of Orr's teams on the road. You knew there was almost no chance of ISU winning a game on the road back then.

**acgclone** · 01-31-2013, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by canker2323

ISU is pretty small and not very strong inside. If you want to see bad defense, re-watch some of Orr's teams on the road. You knew there was almost no chance of ISU winning a game on the road back then.

I agree with Orr's teams playing no D and being horrible on the road. I guess my point is that we need to either recruit or emphasize D more so that we can take the next step and win games like this on the road. Same could be said for Texas Tech. We should be able to win an ugly game like that on the road against a crappy team.

We made 13 3's and shot 54% from the field and from 3. You can't really expect to score more than we did last night when you're on the road. If you can't win with those offensive numbers, D is probably the issue then.

**Clones85'** · 01-31-2013, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by brokenloginagain

our future is bright under freddy, but he coaches like a guy who never played for tim floyd or larry brown.

we may very well win a road game, but its not likely until our D improves. its been lacking all year.

we don't pressure the ball, mcgee fouls a 3pt shooter every game, niang wastes his fouls with his stupid arms in the air and foul the guy with your chest move, and our help D is so slow to rotate.

i don't get it.

Tim Floyd never won at Okie State and I'm guessing his teams didn't perform as well at Okie State as Hoiberg's teams have.

Hopefully Fred never coaches like Tim Floyd.

**Clones85'** · 01-31-2013, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by ISUCubswin

Serious question

I believe we have allowed three 4 point plays this year. Maybe 4.

Has that EVER happened AND have we ever had two FOR us in one season?

McGee fouls a 3 point shooter every game it seems.

**IcSyU** · 01-31-2013, 10:08 AM

That's our trade off for the players we recruit offensively. Georges is never going to be an elite defender so we just expect him to be scoring more than he gives up. Same story goes with Ejim when he's playing inside. Undersized players will only go so far because not very many of them are Kenny Pratt. Booker is who you'd like to be the guy on the inside but obviously that experiment isn't working out.

**Doc** · 01-31-2013, 10:15 AM

I would like to see something similar to the spacing video with Otz and be defense oriented.

ISU has some different philosophies on defense. They play pretty low pressure defense, which can be effective, but it can also seem like they aren't playing very hard.