Ejim

It almost looked like he thought there had been a whistle and it was a dead ball.

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Originally Posted by WhatMeWorry

Outlet, call time out, or protect the ball. Three choices and he did none of them. Me and my guys call it a Melvin.

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Melvin had Smart on him, so I don't blame him for bringing the ball away. I don't think he saw the hobbit until his arms were being torn off.

These are the plays that make Melvin so frustrating. His intelligence is in the classroom, not on the court. He makes one or two boneheaded plays a game. I thought he cost us the game two seasons ago in Stillwater. Last night's turnover/foul was the turning point in the game. This loss wasn't his fault, but if we retain possession there, OSU might have had to force some offense late.

Without him, we probably wouldn't have gotten the rebound to start with.

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Originally Posted by ISUCubswin

My guess is, even though he had guys open, there were two guys on him and he isn't exactly the most athletic guy.

Should he have called timeout? Yes.

Is that play the reason we lost this game? Or the refs calls? Or Hoibergs timeouts? Or Clyburn letting guys cut right to the hoop without challenging them? Or Okie State nailing that halfcourt buzzer beater?

I really don't think any single topic cost us the game.

I do, however, think we beat ourselves, and not the other way around.

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Any one play of the above is all it took.

I'll admit I yelled at the T.V.

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Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

Melvin had Smart on him, so I don't blame him for bringing the ball away. I don't think he saw the hobbit until his arms were being torn off.

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Let's start some controversy - should Fred have called a TO when ME had the rebound? Obviously OSU was in the gambling mode.

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Originally Posted by CycloneNation18

The turnover was ridiculous. He should have gotten rid of the ball immediately, but the foul was bs. He didn't even touch Forte. Forte won an academy award for that flop and got rewarded for it.

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It's because he's 4'-10" tall. Unless you lay on your belly when's he coming at you, you've gonna get called for the foul. :twitcy:

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Originally Posted by jahfg

These are the plays that make Melvin so frustrating. His intelligence is in the classroom, not on the court. He makes one or two boneheaded plays a game. I thought he cost us the game two seasons ago in Stillwater. Last night's turnover/foul was the turning point in the game. This loss wasn't his fault, but if we retain possession there, OSU might have had to force some offense late.

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So you think he didn't get fouled? I'm still mad that there wasn't a foul called. I don't care if he actually got hit or not to be honest. How freaking often do you ever see someone at the complete other end of the court slap at the ball and reach-in, and then NOT get called for a foul?? I don't know if I've ever seen a ref allow that to happen, that's pretty much their "go-to" call is to call any type of reach-in like that when someone has secured possession.

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Originally Posted by Cyclonefan710

I think he's a good player but what was going through his head when he got that defensive rebound when we were up 4? He held onto to the ball for like 5 seconds without even attempting to outlet the ball and then let's forte rip it out of his hands. Then to top it off he makes a boneheaded foul when forte has no chance of scoring over him. It changed momentum and pretty much lost us the game. He's one of my favorite Iowa state players but I hate him tonight

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"Tonight he really disappointed me"
Would have been appropiate. Your choice of words is a bit crazy.

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Originally Posted by zwclones51

Rewatch the play. The other defender (not forte) slapped Melvins left arm. Clear foul. I'm sure it was the asshat John Higgins down there that didn't call it.

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Should have been called. Obvious clear-out rebound on the part of Ejim and they both reached in.... the first guy (not forte) clearly fouled...and considering OSU was sitting at 5 Fouls total in the 2nd half...the whistle should have been blown. It was a "frustration-foul" on their part... nope, the refs jobbed us there. If our jersey's had Kansas across the chest in that scenario.... that always gets the whistle.

Don't even get me started on Ejim's clear block too and the foul called on him. We absolutly got beat by the refs in the game last night. These led to little free-throws for OSU to creep right back in it. The guys played well, good enough to win on the road. The refs had other plans. It's my opinion....and we had one stolen from us.

How about the blocking foul that wasn't called on Ejim that helped OSU miss the shot on said play? Re-watch the last two minutes, the refs didn't cause us to lose, we didn't score caused us to lose.

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Originally Posted by WhatMeWorry

How about the blocking foul that wasn't called on Ejim that helped OSU miss the shot on said play? Re-watch the last two minutes, the refs didn't cause us to lose, we didn't score caused us to lose.

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It always baffles me how there can still be some who shrug their shoulders at blatantly terrible calls and continue to simply state we needed to score more points. I agree we pi$$ed a few leads down our legs but you know what, the last lead we lost was ripped and torn out of our hands, literally.

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Originally Posted by jahfg

These are the plays that make Melvin so frustrating. His intelligence is in the classroom, not on the court. He makes one or two boneheaded plays a game. I thought he cost us the game two seasons ago in Stillwater. Last night's turnover/foul was the turning point in the game. This loss wasn't his fault, but if we retain possession there, OSU might have had to force some offense late.

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Couldn't agree more.

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Originally Posted by wonkadog

It always baffles me how there can still be some who shrug their shoulders at blatantly terrible calls and continue to simply state we needed to score more points. I agree we pi$$ed a few leads down our legs but you know what, the last lead we lost was ripped and torn out of our hands, literally.

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Do you realize that our last score was at 2:16 left in the game? That we had 5 possessions after that which produced zero points? That the ripped out of our hands possession we still had the lead going into our next possession?

So how do we win close games finishing like that? Baffle me with your answer, I'll be waiting.