President Leath on SEZ and conference realignment

**Luth4Cy** · 01-31-2013, 07:52 PM

I understand waiting to prove that it's a good investment, but I think this should be an immediate thing once the money is there. This has been a dream since the 70s and we have the attendance to make it a reality. And even in the event that attendance gets worse, something should still be done to at least make it look like a Big 12 stadium.

**kilgore_trout** · 01-31-2013, 07:52 PM

Did he participate in the baby elephant walk?

**cyclonedave25** · 01-31-2013, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by DistrictCyclone

Didn't the OP say that Leath would "work something out" if they got a $15m donation? Of course it changes the issue if someone else is footing the bill.

Yes, which brings me back to my original point that I agree with everything the Prez said, minus the fact that our team needs to win more games first. I think the "only" factor the SEZ isn't done yet is because of lack of money, not football wins.

Originally Posted by CyCrazy

Disagree, if we went 2-10 every year people would not show up. I was a student when we had chances to go to the Big 12 title game and it was plenty empty.

Correct, which is why I said, "If".

**huntt26** · 01-31-2013, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by MJ271

But at what point will people stop coming to games, if we keep winning the same amount of games every season. I know that I would still follow the team as much as physically possible, and support Rhoads and the team. But when will other people start not seeing 6 win seasons as overachieving, which it always will be

I believe the fans will come out in force as long as ISU is getting to bowl games. Bowl games = success for fan's attitudes at this present time. With the disappointment after the Liberty Bowl, I'd say the new definition of success from most fans is not just getting to a bowl, but winning the bowl as well. If we have a couple non-bowl seasons, attendance will suffer. If we go to bowl games continually, fans will show up, looking for the potential 'next step.' Just my two cents.

**CyCy** · 01-31-2013, 07:57 PM

A $6 million debt service per year would require an additional 15,000 season tickets at $400 to break even. I'm sure there is some question on whether we can consistantly sell that many added tickets every year. A big donation would reduce that number.

**DistrictCyclone** · 01-31-2013, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by cyclonedave25

Yes, which brings me back to my original point that I agree with everything the Prez said, minus the fact that our team needs to win more games first. I think the "only" factor the SEZ isn't done yet is because of lack of money, not football wins.

These things are correlated.

**MJ271** · 01-31-2013, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by huntt26

I believe the fans will come out in force as long as ISU is getting to bowl games. Bowl games = success for fan's attitudes at this present time. With the disappointment after the Liberty Bowl, I'd say the new definition of success from most fans is not just getting to a bowl, but winning the bowl as well. If we have a couple non-bowl seasons, attendance will suffer. If we go to bowl games continually, fans will show up, looking for the potential 'next step.' Just my two cents.

In my opinion, which is similar to yours, fans will continue to show up as long as there is hope of being a consistent 8 or 9 win team. Granted, part of this hope is due to our ability to get to bowl games, but even when Chizik and Rhoads came into bad programs, there was still record breaking attendance.

Basically, IMO, at the point when fans don't think the program has any chance to get better, unless we are winning 8+ games per year, that is when attendance will suffer

**cyclonedave25** · 01-31-2013, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by DistrictCyclone

These things are correlated.

Not entirely. But, usually.

Sincerely,
Texas, Iowa, Auburn, Tennessee, etc.

**Let's Go State** · 01-31-2013, 08:04 PM

If you call your fraternity a frat, what do you call your county?

**jsb** · 01-31-2013, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by MJ271

But at what point will people stop coming to games, if we keep winning the same amount of games every season. I know that I would still follow the team as much as physically possible, and support Rhoads and the team. But when will other people start not seeing 6 win seasons as overachieving, which it always will be

There is some truth to this, but I think the amount of people you would lose with a standard 6 win Rhoads coached team is less than a person would think. Rhoads has added such excitement to the program that people are going to keep following it. Plus Rhoads has proved he can accomplish things that we wouldn't have dreamed of 5 years ago. Many fans aren't going to want to miss out on the next Oklahoma State or TCU or Texas wins.

**ISUAgronomist** · 01-31-2013, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Let's Go State

If you call your fraternity a frat, what do you call your county?

A coun?

**volfaniniowa** · 01-31-2013, 08:08 PM

Still believe the press box expansion is/should be first on the list. Would be much easier to finance and assuming the football team continues to improve and win, big donors would be more inclined to buy boxes than endzone seats.

**DistrictCyclone** · 01-31-2013, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by cyclonedave25

Not entirely. But, usually.

Sincerely,
Texas, Iowa, Auburn, Tennessee, etc.

Do you think those schools make more money when they have winning seasons, or when they have losing seasons? Ceteris paribus, more wins = more money.

**iahawkhunter** · 01-31-2013, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Let's Go State

If you call your fraternity a frat, what do you call your county?

My high school history teacher said the same thing.

**cyclonedave25** · 01-31-2013, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by DistrictCyclone

Do you think those schools make more money when they have winning seasons, or when they have losing seasons? Ceteris paribus, more wins = more money.

I would say those schools have pretty large budgets no matter how many wins. Hasn't Texas been #1 in the country for almost forever, even during and after their bad seasons? I also see Tennessee is still #8 in the country and they are going on 3 or 4 consecutive losing seasons.