Okoro and Dorsey-Walker?

[tamjam]

Heh? Lucious, Babb, Clyburn, Mcgee, Palo. 5 guys for 3 spots isn't "very little depth".

Palo has been playing all year, huh. Are you a troll? 4 guys...3 spots = little depth.

[Cydkar]

Does anyone think Bubu is giving up the ball awful early? It seems to me he isn't even close to the 3pt line and he has already passed it. He has attacked the glass a little and drawn some fouls, but I think part of the low turnover numbers right now is he gets rid of the ball early. He hasn't put alot of pressure on the guy guarding him yet. Maybe I am crazy but Lucious forces the defender to play defense, which often leads to turnovers.

I think Bubu is playing far better than i would have imagined based on his lack of practice and play this year.

[BigBake]

They don't get much playing time because we have better and more experienced guards in front of them. (McGee, babb, kl, bubu)

You don't need to follow from beginning of season to figure out the playing rotation. It wouldn't take too much to watch one game and realize we have enough guards and the minutes aren't there. Most all teams land in that 8 - 9 man rotation. Simple math would tell you that probably 4 scholarship players are going to ride the bench.

This thread is bad the ridicule you got is deserved.

[cyclone87]

Sledge, Naz, Okoro, SDW. That is four guards (one that transfered) none of which are getting any playing time. I didn't say Fred can't recruit guards, I was just pointing out that none that he is brought in from the high school ranks are contributing much and this during a season when the team had very little depth at the guard position. I did not say guys have to be one and done, just would be nice to see some of the freshman guards contributing. It has been good to read that SDW is doing well in his redshirt year and that Naz Long has been improving this year though. That is all I was asking. Geez, get your panties out of a bunch, RustShack.

Your act is tired, I think most people realized that these guys wouldn't have big roles coming into the season, none of them were all that highly rated coming out of hs or prep school (Naz). They have potential though, SDW can shoot lights out, and Naz is very athletic and could be a solid combo gaurd in the future. The highly rated guy in the class, who by the way had been going up against NBA-level talent before he came to ISU is already one of the best players on the team as a freshman. Matt Thomas will play a lot next year as a freshman imo, with Monte also possibly playing some good minutes (I think they are both ready for the college game like Georges this year), especially later in the season.

[CY88CE11]

Palo has been playing all year, huh. Are you a troll? 4 guys...3 spots = little depth.

I'm really glad you took offense to other people calling you a troll, then decided to call me one. Spot on. But you're right. Fred should have foreseen some woman accusing Bubu of rape without any merit, limiting him to half a season. Shame on Fred for not knowing that would happen to a (by all other accounts) stand-up kid.

[tamjam]

They don't get much playing time because we have better and more experienced guards in front of them. (McGee, babb, kl, bubu)

You don't need to follow from beginning of season to figure out the playing rotation. It wouldn't take too much to watch one game and realize we have enough guards and the minutes aren't there. Most all teams land in that 8 - 9 man rotation. Simple math would tell you that probably 4 scholarship players are going to ride the bench.

This thread is bad the ridicule you got is deserved.

Could you please point me to a good thread that you have started in your 5000 posts so that I know what sort of things I should be posting? Thanks.

[tamjam]

Your act is tired, I think most people realized that these guys wouldn't have big roles coming into the season, none of them were all that highly rated coming out of hs or prep school (Naz). They have potential though, SDW can shoot lights out, and Naz is very athletic and could be a solid combo gaurd in the future. The highly rated guy in the class, who by the way had been going up against NBA-level talent before he came to ISU is already one of the best players on the team as a freshman. Matt Thomas will play a lot next year as a freshman imo, with Monte also possibly playing some good minutes (I think they are both ready for the college game like Georges this year), especially later in the season.

What act? I asked a question got some good answers and learned a lot. Thanks. Again, not sure what act you are talking about or why people call out your "fan" level by asking a question. From now on I will only post facts and not make leaps of judgment. I am sure you have not done that and I apologize.

[VeloClone]

Palo has been playing all year, huh. Are you a troll? 4 guys...3 spots = little depth.

But, he has 4 starters at 3 spots. Every one of those guys is starter caliber. Generally starters get around 30 minutes a game; 4 starter quality players at 3 spots eats up all the minutes. One of those guys gets foul trouble or needs a blow? There are still 3 starters to take the minutes at all 3 guard spots. Frankly there are barely enough minutes for the first 4 guys at those spots. Having Bubu back is a luxury that really means Will can play the 4 some when Fred wants him to.

[cy4prez7]

Tamjam you should just stop. You're not helping your cause.

You said Hoiberg has brough 4 guards here that are Freshman. Sledge transferred because he wasn't going to see much playing time (no surprise there). That leaves us with 3 Freshman guards. Naz has shown signs of promise and got decent minutes in nonconference. Korie is a much better player at point and for that should be playing the majority of the minutes. SDW is redshirting because he needs beef and we have several very solid experienced guards ahead of him. Okoro will likely play a Babb type role in the future but isn't ready yet. The fact that you're expecting all of these Freshman to get good minutes is ridiculous. On top of that you're questioning Fred before even giving time to see if these guys pan out. Patience my friend, patience!

[tamjam]

But, he has 4 starters at 3 spots. Every one of those guys is starter caliber. Generally starters get around 30 minutes a game; 4 starter quality players at 3 spots eats up all the minutes. One of those guys gets foul trouble or needs a blow? There are still 3 starters to take the minutes at all 3 guard spots. Frankly there are barely enough minutes for the first 4 guys at those spots. Having Bubu back is a luxury that really means Will can play the 4 some when Fred wants him to.

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Good point and obviously things are working this year again.

[VeloClone]

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Good point and obviously things are working this year again.

Does anyone remember were the redshirt decisions made before or after Bubu's suspension was announced? I have been thinking that the reason Okoro didn't redshirt with SDW was simply they needed emergency depth*. If Bubu hadn't been suspended might he have been redshirted as well?

*I know you can pull a redshirt if you have to, but it would be nice if a player saw the floor in a non-conference game before being thrown to the Big 12 wolves. If Fred thought there was a chance that due to injuries or other issues he might have to play him down the road this season he might have thought it better to let him get a few minutes early in the season so at least he had seen a Div. 1 floor.

[CY88CE11]

Could you please point me to a good thread that you have started in your 5000 posts so that I know what sort of things I should be posting? Thanks.

Tears

[CY88CE11]

Does anyone remember were the redshirt decisions made before or after Bubu's suspension was announced? I have been thinking that the reason Okoro didn't redshirt with SDW was simply they needed emergency depth*. If Bubu hadn't been suspended might he have been redshirted as well?

*I know you can pull a redshirt if you have to, but it would be nice if a player saw the floor in a non-conference game before being thrown to the Big 12 wolves. If Fred thought there was a chance that due to injuries or other issues he might have to play him down the road this season he might have thought it better to let him get a few minutes early in the season so at least he had seen a Div. 1 floor.

I'm pretty sure we knew coming into the season that we were going to be without Bubu, though I don't know an exact date.

[Mr Janny]

But it is a fact that in the past two years he has brought in 4 high school guards and not a single one of them has got any playing time, right? Based on that fact, I formed my opinion. I have since read things to make me change my mind a bit. I don't get why people assume I am a troll though if I ask a question or state an opinion. Sorry I can't post the message board 24/7 like some others. He has done GREAT with juco and transfer guards and clearly that has been enough to do very well the past couple of years.

But according to your own story, you were out of the country and didn't know how this year's freshmen were doing. That was, after all, your initial question. So, by your own admission, as far as you knew when you posted the thread, you only really knew Sledge's story. You didn't know if Okoro, or SDW were redshirting or were injured, or anything. Again, that was your initial question. Long story short, you formulated an opinion on Fred based on Sledge and a series of assumptions of this year's freshmen, hence the response you have received.

[swarthmoreCY]

To recap what we are dealing with here, tamjam is upset Fred has not yet been able get three and four years of play out of freshmen like SDW and Long. Good point tamjam, was out having 3 or 4 year guys, the NCAA committee will void our wins this year.