That whole "fouling or not when up 3" thing...

[VeloClone]

Something I don't get is the whole "have to wait for the bad freethrow shooter to get the ball to foul" thing. I understand that officials are more likely to call an intentional (or flagrant or whatever they are calling it now) foul when you try to foul someone away from the action or before the ball is inbounded. But really, fouls are called away from the ball the whole game for moving screens, grabbing an arm or jersey, pushing to get position or prevent position in the post, or running through a screen. I would think you could foul the bad free throw shooter on the floor with it legitimate enough to not get a FT's and the ball situation.

Any officials on here want to take a stab at this one?

[TurbulentEddie]

Well, somebody didn't watch the Michigan game. They had every oppurtunity to foul before WI got to half court.

Brust Three-Pointer Sends It To OT - YouTube

Could have made it 12/12 who won that day.

Fouling would not have guaranteed this... certainly wouldn't have improved their chances over that prayer of a lob that Brust put up.

[TurbulentEddie]

Something I don't get is the whole "have to wait for the bad freethrow shooter to get the ball to foul" thing. I understand that officials are more likely to call an intentional (or flagrant or whatever they are calling it now) foul when you try to foul someone away from the action or before the ball is inbounded. But really, fouls are called away from the ball the whole game for moving screens, grabbing an arm or jersey, pushing to get position or prevent position in the post, or running through a screen. I would think you could foul the bad free throw shooter on the floor with it legitimate enough to not get a FT's and the ball situation.

Any officials on here want to take a stab at this one?

I'm not an official, but as long as the poor FT shooter is standing doing nothing on the other end of the court, the intentional foul call would be easy. If he starts moving, then you maybe could get away with something.

[CloneIce]

You foul under 5 seconds, as long as you A) trust your players to foul before the shot and B) don't think the refs will screw you if he heaves one up hoping for a continuation.

[Cyclonepride]

Something I don't get is the whole "have to wait for the bad freethrow shooter to get the ball to foul" thing. I understand that officials are more likely to call an intentional (or flagrant or whatever they are calling it now) foul when you try to foul someone away from the action or before the ball is inbounded. But really, fouls are called away from the ball the whole game for moving screens, grabbing an arm or jersey, pushing to get position or prevent position in the post, or running through a screen. I would think you could foul the bad free throw shooter on the floor with it legitimate enough to not get a FT's and the ball situation.

Any officials on here want to take a stab at this one?

Tim and Larry seemed to do this all the time

[oldman]

Tim and Larry seemed to do this all the time

Those teams always seemed to have fouls to give without anyone shooting FTs.

[VeloClone]

Tim and Larry seemed to do this all the time

Who was the big guy that Tim used to bring in as the designated fouler? He used to have stat lines like 2 minutes 0 reb 0 points 3 fouls.

[Yellow Snow]

I agree with the call to not foul. We were caught in a tough situation. Too much time on the clock to foul right away and (11 seconds) and not enough time to be SURE you weren't going to foul the guy shooting... best to just play defense. Had we ACTUALLY played defense we aren't having this conversation.

They inbounded with 11 seconds left... foul then? No. They crossed half court with about 6 seconds left and took the shot with about 4 seconds on the clock. That gave us a 2 second window. Is it even realistic to tell the team to foul in such a tight window not even knowing what they were gonna do before they inbounded?

Look at it this way... say we foul as they cross half court. Fine... didn't give up the three. Now they make both free throws, cut the lead to 1. Then they foul us instantly on the inbounds pass. Let's say 4 seconds left. Who on our team would you be confident in to sink both free throws? EVEN if we make both, we are back where we started. I doubt we would have made both in Allen FH

Now they still have 4 seconds to bank in that 3 for the win in regulation. By playing defense you eliminate the possibility of a loss in regulation. THE WORST CASE is overtime.

The dude banked it in... Brust chucked up a half court shot...

[nallen34]

Once again we don't foul with 5 seconds left up by 3, and once again we lose. Imagine that.

[Gunnerclone]

Those teams always seemed to have fouls to give without anyone shooting FTs.

Good post. The foul game was a big part of TF and LE's game strategies, but that came from being in a lot of battles. Fred will learn.

[Knownothing]

I have actually never seen a team lose when up by three that fouled. Never. Not sure what games pomroy took into account. It was not an isu game though. We always lose.

[JJ4ISU]

If you are not going to foul you better make damn sure that everyone is standing on the 3-pt line or outside of it. Once again, we had 2 defenders inside. Why was Ejim even in there guarding that guy. He should have, at the very least, been fronting him!