Mock NCAA selection

[ameshammer]

me too we are a higher seed

Why do you say that? How high? Consider no road or neutral wins of note, only one win against Top 25, and losses to two of the worst teams in the conference. I tend to agree with the mock selection process, that is ISU is firmly on the bubble.

[VeloClone]

Being as unbiased as possible, if Southern Miss is in the field, Iowa State should be close to the next team in.

USM has 3 notable advantages: higher RPI (40 vs 53), better non-conference SOS (111 vs 175) and lack of a nagging sub-200 loss.

Nearly everything else on ISU’s resume is better: top-50 record (2-5 vs. 0-4); average RPI of top-50 losses (23 vs 30), record in 51-100 (4-1 vs. 0-2) and overall SOS (67 vs 104).

I find it reprehensible that they use these two metrics in their evaluation.

What are the components of these metrics?
Non-conference SOS = non conference games (obviously)
Overall SOS = non conference games + conference games

Why is it appropriate that the non conference games are counted twice in the evaluation while the conference games are counted once?

If they want to have a separate non-conference SOS the other metric should be simply conference SOS. Some teams have the meat of their schedule in the non-conference, others have it in the conference. Why is one inherently better than the other? If it isn't, then it should be evaluate fairly.

[JCREEK]

Why do you say that? How high? Consider no road or neutral wins of note, only one win against Top 25, and losses to two of the worst teams in the conference. I tend to agree with the mock selection process, that is ISU is firmly on the bubble.

Wrong Joe Lunardi has ISU as a 10 seed today firmly in he is by far the most credible Bracket guy. he will be the guy who will almost never be wrong. Guy is the man of picking who's getting in. Guys like jerry palm and seth davis and cbs sports are all getting pockets stuffed by the big ten. So don;t waste your time with anyone else duh!!! everyone knows that ameshammer...

[cyclones500]

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.co...ck-2-15-13.jpg

They have ISU playing Virginia in a play-in game. Baylor vs Cal in the other.

Hmm. Interesting.

I didn't assess the overall bracket, it may be quite good.

I will say this: If UVa is a play-in team, Iowa State is somewhere around a 10 seed. If ISU is on 12 line, Virginia's out.

[cyclones500]

USM has 3 notable advantages: higher RPI (40 vs 53), better non-conference SOS (111 vs 175) and lack of a nagging sub-200 loss.

USM has a much better resume then. We are now in the danger area.

Maybe.

Which of the following has a stronger resume?

Team A
Record 15-8, 6-4
RPI 65
SOS 77
vs top 50 RPI 3-6
vs 51-100 1-1
vs 101-200 2-1
vs 201-plus 7-0

Team B
Record 16-8, 8-3
RPI 60
SOS 59
vs top 50 RPI 1-3
vs 51-100 5-1
vs 101-200 6-3
vs 201-plus 3-1

[IHavNoCyCash]

USM has 3 notable advantages: higher RPI (40 vs 53), better non-conference SOS (111 vs 175) and lack of a nagging sub-200 loss.



Maybe.

Which of the following has a stronger resume?

Team A
Record 15-8, 6-4
RPI 65
SOS 77
vs top 50 RPI 3-6
vs 51-100 1-1
vs 101-200 2-1
vs 201-plus 7-0

Team B
Record 16-8, 8-3
RPI 60
SOS 59
vs top 50 RPI 1-3
vs 51-100 5-1
vs 101-200 6-3
vs 201-plus 3-1

team A imo, RPI is less, however team A has 3 top 50 RPI wins. Team B has 4 bad losses.

[cyclones500]

team A imo, RPI is less, however team A has 3 top 50 RPI wins. Team B has 4 bad losses.

That's the way I'd go, too.

It isn't a complete picture of the data, but is a way to compare.

Interesting thing to me is (spoiler alert for those of you playing at home!) ...

Team B is Alabama, which has been in bracket projections on and off most of the season and is just outside of Next Four Out in Bracket Matrix.

Team A, which has gotten almost no attention, is Air Force.

[kilroy]

At what point do you look at it like a sane person and say any loses is bad lose, you still lose. .....

But I'm a sports guy and know that when it comes to brackets sanity goes.

[Wesley]

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.co...ck-2-15-13.jpg

They have ISU playing Virginia in a play-in game. Baylor vs Cal in the other.

So B12 #5 and #6 are last four in....

[cyclonepower]

So B12 #5 and #6 are last four in....

Yea, I think if the Big 12 gets 6, it won't be comfortably...

[Cydkar]

Yea, I think if the Big 12 gets 6, it won't be comfortably...

Or 5.

[cloneteach]

Lunardi has a better feel for how the committee will select teams. The media has their own bias. Athletic directors and committee members leave the room when their teams are being discussed.