Jerry Palm has us OUT

**ISUCubswin** · 02-18-2013, 10:48 AM

I certainly don't think OU should be a 7 seed. In, sure, because they do have a tough schedule. 7 seed? Hell no.

And they did lose to Stephen F. Austin at home. A team with a solid record but has only played 2 non-mid majors.

**CyJack13** · 02-18-2013, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by CycloneJames

Why wouldn't he have OU in? We are 17-8, they are 16-8. They have a road win at Baylor and a home win over Kansas, both wins we can't match. And that is not even mentioning their #17 RPI & #4 SOS (per ESPN). They also don't have a bad loss. Regardless of the fact that I believe we are a much better team then they are, barring a collapse they will make the tournament.

Get outta here with the logic.

Also everyone does realize that Palm's mock brackets have no influence on whether or not we make the tournament, right?

**MartyFine** · 02-18-2013, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by cyclonepower

we are sitting at probably an average of 10/11/12 seed is that hard to believe that he doesnt think we are in?

I would also add that Seth Davis and Doug G debated a few bubble teams on CBS yesterday afternoon. Seth Davis also has ISU out, but Doug G (pretty sure we shouldn't hate on him anymore) went to bat for us and had us in.

Quality wins will be crucial. @BU, @OU, KU and OSU are all chances for quality wins.

**Wesley** · 02-18-2013, 11:05 AM

Time is running out....three more road chances...

**chuckd4735** · 02-18-2013, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by ISUCubswin

I certainly don't think OU should be a 7 seed. In, sure, because they do have a tough schedule. 7 seed? Hell no.

And they did lose to Stephen F. Austin at home. A team with a solid record but has only played 2 non-mid majors.

This.

**acgclone** · 02-18-2013, 11:09 AM

If we win out at home, I think we have a 60-70% chance of getting in. Add in a good road win against OU or Baylor and we're locked.

Beat either BU or OU on the road, and split the OSU/KU games, and we're probably in as well.

**TurbulentEddie** · 02-18-2013, 11:12 AM

I don't know what OU did to game the RPI so well this year, but hopefully JP/CFH have taken note. It's ridiculous how much the selection process depends on that outdated metric. Sagarin's ELO Score and ESPN's BPI are much better resume (not predictive, like Sagarin's Predictor or KenPom) metrics, and they have OU at 37/41 (ISU at 43/34), either which makes a ton more sense than 17. OU deserves a bid, but you can bet that they're going to be seeded way higher than they should.

/rantover

**heitclone** · 02-18-2013, 11:15 AM

Eh, I don't think its a big deal to be out now. Our schedule sets itself up in a way that our bid would be earned the next few weeks, not the last few. Baylor, OU on the road, Okie State and KU at home, those are 4 tourney resume type games. IMO that is the stretch we were going to earn it anyway, I'm confident we will.

**Gunnerclone** · 02-18-2013, 11:16 AM

I have Jerry Palm out so this is fine.

**cped** · 02-18-2013, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by heitclone

Eh, I don't think its a big deal to be out now. Our schedule sets itself up in a way that our bid would be earned the next few weeks, not the last few. Baylor, OU on the road, Okie State and KU at home, those are 4 tourney resume type games. IMO that is the stretch we were going to earn it anyway, I'm confident we will.

Where it gets tricky with the bubble in my opinion is if we go 3-3 over that stretch. Might end up being a make or break game in the Big 12 tourney then.

Lose @ Baylor

Beat Tech & Kansas

Lose @ Oklahoma

Win @ West Virginia

Lose vs Oklahoma St

**Dryburn** · 02-18-2013, 11:27 AM

I don't find it surprising that some will have ISU out. Let's face it. This team can finish the regular season anywhere from 1-5 to 6-0 and a valid argument could be made for each and every record. The only "sure" win is likely Texas Tech at home and they just played pretty well against WVU on the road.

When a team wins a close game at home against an opponent, it is more likely than not that they will lose to that team on the road in the same season. Now, ISU beat Oklahoma soundly in Ames, beat Baylor pretty well, but just got by WVU on a last second shot. Baylor is 5-1 at home in conference, the only loss being to OU by 3. They beat Okie State at home. With the way ISU has played on the road, I think it could be argued that their best chance for a win will be at Oklahoma. Of course, OU is also 5-1 at home in conference having beaten both KU and Okie State at home, and losing only to K-State by 2.

At home, ISU has Tech, plus games against 2 of the top 3 teams in conference. The home and home rule favors ISU in those games, since ISU lost close games to those teams on the road. Also, ISU likely will still have the home streak going for it when KU comes to town. A negative factor for ISU is that both Okie State and KU are probably going to still be in the hunt for the conference championship when they play ISU.

So, some of the "experts" no doubt are going to see ISU finishing 1-5 or 2-4. I think it is as easy, maybe even easier to make a case for that than it is to make a case for something better.

**ajk4st8** · 02-18-2013, 11:30 AM

I really think if we can go 3-3 to finish out.. we are still in. It's going to be really close this year.

No matter what happens I just hope we can win a game or 2 in KC. Im sick of going down for a one and done. Hopefully this is the year.

**jbhtexas** · 02-18-2013, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Dryburn

So, some of the "experts" no doubt are going to see ISU finishing 1-5 or 2-4. I think it is as easy, maybe even easier to make a case for that than it is to make a case for something better.

Exactly. And should the upcoming BU game not go well for ISU, I would expect that to trigger some more "ISU out" predictions from the "experts" in the time between the BU and KU games...