When did the Big Ten...

**Agclone91** · 02-22-2013, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by HFCS

Which year was it when the Big Ten had a ton of hype yet had just one team make it out of the first weekend? I'm thinking it was 4-6 years ago. It's surprisingly hard to look up NCAA tourney records by conference, at least where I'm looking.

I just remember thinking I'd never seen such a flop. I seem to think they had a lot of 4-8 seeds that year unlike this year where it's going to be a lot of very high seeds.

Every year.

**M3MEPLEASE** · 02-22-2013, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Agclone91

Every year.

Yeah every year, well except the FIVE years (4 different programs) that Big 10 teams have played in the NC since 2000 alone.

**Agclone91** · 02-22-2013, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by M3MEPLEASE

Yeah every year, well except the FIVE years (4 different programs) that Big 10 teams have played in the NC since 2000 alone.

I didn't think I needed to put the pirate....apparently I was wrong.

**hawkadoodledoo** · 02-22-2013, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by kingcy

If you want to play the horrible games, the Big 10 has 2 horrible teams as well. Baylor is very equal to Illinois/Minnesota/Iowa.

Make no mistake, there are no teams in the big 10 as bad as Texas Tech and TCU, including PSU who is horrible as well.

**JohnnyFive** · 02-22-2013, 11:28 PM

Nobody is saying its a bad conference. But don't say top to bottom it's the best because its not. It has good teams, but then it also has Penn State, Nebraska, and Northwestern,who all might be the three worst basketball programs in the country. Plus Iowa, Minnesota and Purdue have stunk more or less for the last 10 years. That's half the league!

**SplitIdentity** · 02-22-2013, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by HFCS

Good point, you got me there. Still you'd see if you played Baylor regularly. They're impossible to predict. I really think they have more talent than KU. I might take Pierre Jackson over any college player in the country right now, as a college player. Yet...they're slightly off the bubble with ridiculous talent because of coaching and lack of home court advantage, doesn't mean they won't win key games, they just aren't a team you count on.

Agree with this 100% I remember Scott Drew being mentioned for the Iowa job. In terms of talent, that woulda been awesome. In terms of coaching? Eh... not so much.

**SplitIdentity** · 02-22-2013, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Tailg8er

Didn't we just say 1 game isn't a great indicator? Missouri was probably a better team than who they lost to last year 1st round. ISU was better than Hampton all those years ago also...

You can ignore these inconveniences to fit your argument if you'd like, though.

I didn't have an argument. That was my first post. I don't think anybody here is arguing that NW is actually as good as Baylor, at least not at right now. I also don't think anybody is arguing that the Big Ten isn't one of, if not the, top conference. In fact, I'm not sure what anybody was arguing. I hit the "view last post" button on the main page and responded to that post. I agree with what the poster said, actually. And I don't think Iowa makes the NCAA without a win in the BT and 1 more regular season loss.

**ripvdub** · 02-22-2013, 11:40 PM

Michigan isn't going far with their coach, they have all the talent in the world, but no system other than give it to Trey Burke, they'll get a 2 seed, but but be out in the 2nd or 3rd round. Indiana and MSU will be Elite 8 final four, but 2 teams don't make a great conference

**mikem** · 02-23-2013, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by SplitIdentity

They already lost to Northwestern... at home.

Holy not telling all of facts Batman. You are better than this. This cyjack level ********.

And to twins, I admire the fight, but the b1g is by far the best conference this year. I just hope that all the hawk fans beating their chests about how great their conference is, and how tough they have it will remember this during football season.

I know they aren't evolved enough to make the connection between their unfounded arogance and their weeping about actually having to overcome good teams to be successful. Just throwing out that there is a real opportunity for some of the most aggregious of the mouth breathers to learn something new.

**Tre4ISU** · 02-23-2013, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by ripvdub

Michigan isn't going far with their coach, they have all the talent in the world, but no system other than give it to Trey Burke, they'll get a 2 seed, but but be out in the 2nd or 3rd round. Indiana and MSU will be Elite 8 final four, but 2 teams don't make a great conference

Uh, what? Look up what Beilein has done with his WVU teams with much less talent not to mention Michigan teams with much less talent. If anything, his tourney results have out performed his season results. Your statement is completely false and uninformed. Now, they may exit early but it won't be because of coaching. They also play 5 freshmen and are the youngest team in America. You mention Burke and he's still a sophomore. Saying Beilein doesn't have a system is like saying Hoiberg doesn't have a system. The ignorance is strong.

**Tre4ISU** · 02-23-2013, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by JohnnyFive

Nobody is saying its a bad conference. But don't say top to bottom it's the best because its not. It has good teams, but then it also has Penn State, Nebraska, and Northwestern,who all might be the three worst basketball programs in the country. Plus Iowa, Minnesota and Purdue have stunk more or less for the last 10 years. That's half the league!

Look up some facts. Purdue has not stunk. Northwestern would stomp a mudhole in Tech and TCU. You are wrong

**tcon1250** · 02-23-2013, 03:16 AM

Both the Big 10 and the MWC are strong this year. Period. I have no idea where this post is coming from. Yes the Big 10 was expected to be even better, but it is still damn good.

To be honest how the Big 10 is in bball this year is often how the Big 12 is in football (in terms of strength not publicity). And in those seasons we constantly will have posts about how our 6-6 team would go 8-4 in the Big 10. Iowa bball is suffering from what ISU football normally does. Iowa would be battling ISU for 3-4-5 in the Big 12 this year and be on the other side of the bubble if they were in the Big 12.

I don't know why we do this. Don't be haters.

**mjhavlo76** · 02-23-2013, 03:24 AM

No question the Big 10 is legitimately one of the top conferences in college basketball this year!! Not overrated by the least bit. Never liked Big 10 teams, but they're damn good this year.

**JohnnyFive** · 02-23-2013, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by Tre4ISU

Look up some facts. Purdue has not stunk. Northwestern would stomp a mudhole in Tech and TCU. You are wrong

I apologize...only five of the 12 have been legitimately bad for the last 10 years. I'll also ignore Indiana's stretch of going 19-53 in the Big 10 the past four years.

And you're right, Northwestern could probably beat TCU and Tech this season, but I don't really see how that is relevant. Northwestern has never been invited to an NCCA tournament or finished higher than fourth in the conference since WWII, so my opinion that they're a bottom-tier program with Penn State and Nebraska does not change regardless if they can beat the Big 12's bottom teams.

I also stand by the previous post that Iowa and Minnesota belong in that category over the last decade, too. Iowa hasn't had a winning Big 10 record since 2006-2007. Minnesota since 2004-2005.

No doubt the Big 10 has some good teams this year. I wont argue with that. But because of the lower half of the conference, it is nowhere near as good "top to bottom" as the media says it is.

**CyCloned** · 02-23-2013, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by Cyclonestate78

I am going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there on Wisconsin. Their style of play usually suits the NCAA Tournament type games very well.

Since 2000 the Badgers have made the Sweet Sixteen 6 times, the Elite Eight 2 times, and the Final Four 1 time. They also haven't missed the NCAA Tournament since 1998.

Wisconsin does well as long as the officials call the games pretty rough. They tend to maul teams from other leagues in the NCAAs. If they got a crew that was calling the physical stuff in the post, they would be in trouble. This year's WI team is particularly weak offensively, so they may not get real far in the NCAAs.