If we win RPI is not relavent

**isucy86** · 02-24-2013, 11:48 AM

If we get to 11-7 in Big 12 play then our RPI is pretty meaningless. Last night WHO sportscaster said the Clones are all but a lock for an NCAA berth- IMO that is pretty naive.

IMO if we go 10-8 we probably have to win at least 1 Big 12 Tournament game (maybe 2) to make the NCAA Tournament. Conversely if we go 11-7, I think we are lock. That said winning two more games this season is going to be tough with home games against top 15 ranked KU and OSU and a road game against an OU team that will be fired up to gain some revenge on the Clones after losing at Hilton.

Our NCAA Tournament berth just might come down to winning on the road at WVU and might not be as easy as some folks think:

It could be our 11th win
A loss on the road to WVU would be considered another bad road loss (we've already lost to TT & UT, two of the worst 3 teams in the Big 12).
Unlike the road environments at OSU, TT and UT- the Hokies have pretty rabid fans. IMO that will not be an easy environment to win.

**peteypie** · 02-24-2013, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by isucy86

If we get to 11-7 in Big 12 play then our RPI is pretty meaningless. Last night WHO sportscaster said the Clones are all but a lock for an NCAA berth- IMO that is pretty naive.

IMO if we go 10-8 we probably have to win at least 1 Big 12 Tournament game (maybe 2) to make the NCAA Tournament. Conversely if we go 11-7, I think we are lock. That said winning two more games this season is going to be tough with home games against top 15 ranked KU and OSU and a road game against an OU team that will be fired up to gain some revenge on the Clones after losing at Hilton.

Our NCAA Tournament berth just might come down to winning on the road at WVU for a few reason:

It could be our 11th win
A loss on the road to WVU would be considered another bad road loss (we've already lost to TT & UT, two of the worst 3 teams in the Big 12).
Unlike the road environments at OSU, TT and UT- the Hokies have pretty rabid fans. IMO that will not be an easy environment to win.

Mountaineers?

**atlantacyclone** · 02-24-2013, 11:53 AM

You would think that if ISU finishes in the top 5 of the Big 12 they would be in. Winning these games would most likely increase the RPI, would it not?

**Cyclonepride** · 02-24-2013, 11:57 AM

Top five and we are in. Obviously we could play our way out. Beat KU, and it's a lock.

**Rhoadhoused** · 02-24-2013, 11:58 AM

Our position in conference has no bearing on our tourney chances, other than the actual wins we would have.

**HFCS** · 02-24-2013, 12:00 PM

computers like OU just as much as OSU, in RPI terms we have three huge opportunities for great wins and one tough game on the road that will appear as a not so great loss.

**Wesley** · 02-24-2013, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by atlantacyclone

You would think that if ISU finishes in the top 5 of the Big 12 they would be in. Winning these games would most likely increase the RPI, would it not?

You need more than rpi. The committee can see a bad finish and overlook you. If Baylor starts to win, this might put more pressure on them to pick Baylor over us. Basically we want Baylor and OU to fail.

**DistrictCyclone** · 02-24-2013, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley

You need more than rpi. The committee can see a bad finish and overlook you. If Baylor starts to win, this might put more pressure on them to pick Baylor over us. Basically we want Baylor and OU to fail.

We're sitting good with OU. They've got a puffy schedule from here on out, and if we beat them, we're the clear favorite if it comes down to a choice between us or them (probably will be even if we lose). Baylor worries me, though...of their remaining 4, 2 are on the road and the other 2 are against KU and K-State. Even a 2-2 finish (with a conference tournament win, maybe) could look good, but 3 or 4 wins would make them look very appealing.

**Cyclonepride** · 02-24-2013, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley

You need more than rpi. The committee can see a bad finish and overlook you. If Baylor starts to win, this might put more pressure on them to pick Baylor over us. Basically we want Baylor and OU to fail.

It's going to take a miracle for Baylor to pass us up, considering our sweep, and the momentum which is going in opposite directions.

**DistrictCyclone** · 02-24-2013, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

It's going to take a miracle for Baylor to pass us up, considering our sweep, and the momentum which is going in opposite directions.

The potential's there, though, with their remaining schedule. Beating K-State and KU would have to look good to the committee.

Even though they'd never officially say so, I imagine some selectors see last year's Elite Eight run and make that a consideration, too.

**CyFan61** · 02-24-2013, 12:10 PM

Not a whole lot has changed since a few weeks ago when 21 wins was the magic number. It still is. That means two more W's in at least five more games. Finish 2-3 and while most won't be happy, we'd still be in. Finish 1-4 or (God forbid) 0-5 and that's a different story.

**IHavNoCyCash** · 02-24-2013, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by CyFan61

Not a whole lot has changed since a few weeks ago when 21 wins was the magic number. It still is. That means three more W's in at least five more games.

2 more wins.

**Mowilly** · 02-24-2013, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by isucy86

If we get to 11-7 in Big 12 play then our RPI is pretty meaningless. Last night WHO sportscaster said the Clones are all but a lock for an NCAA berth- IMO that is pretty naive.

IMO if we go 10-8 we probably have to win at least 1 Big 12 Tournament game (maybe 2) to make the NCAA Tournament. Conversely if we go 11-7, I think we are lock. That said winning two more games this season is going to be tough with home games against top 15 ranked KU and OSU and a road game against an OU team that will be fired up to gain some revenge on the Clones after losing at Hilton.

Our NCAA Tournament berth just might come down to winning on the road at WVU and might not be as easy as some folks think:

It could be our 11th win
A loss on the road to WVU would be considered another bad road loss (we've already lost to TT & UT, two of the worst 3 teams in the Big 12).
Unlike the road environments at OSU, TT and UT- the Hokies have pretty rabid fans. IMO that will not be an easy environment to win.

Normally, I avoid these discussions as there is no correct answer or formula- it is conjecture at its finest. That said, while describing the factors that you put out- you have to consider the bubble and where it is. To give info on ISU's criteria w/o looking at the bubble is a waste of time. If you choose to look at the curve (bubble) you will see that we are in and in easily. Far, far more easily than people suggest.
A win tomorrow evening erases any remaining doubt of this. This is not just a reflection of ISU- it is more a reflection of what may well prove to be the worst collection of bubble teams in the era of bracketology

**JohnnyFive** · 02-24-2013, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Rhoadhoused

Our position in conference has no bearing on our tourney chances, other than the actual wins we would have.

You would think this fan base would understand that already. Iowa fans apparently don't. They've told us all year that finishing in the top seven of the conference means you're a lock.