Self= Classless

**joefrog** · 03-16-2013, 01:28 AM

Iowa State fans making excuses for Bill Self? Really? What's next, sympathy for the devil? You people make me sick. Absolutely sick. Until ISU gets mad dog mean, I mean Josey Wales style, we will never again rise to the top. Period. KU basketball is life and death to their fans. Life and death. Until we bring some attitude and swagger back to the rivalry, we will lose. And we will deserve to. Because the refs are intimidated by them, and the conference doesn't respect us. So grow a set, or sit back and take it. If you are an ISU fan and don't hate everything KU, and I mean everything, then you are not an ISU fan. Bye.

**egunzy** · 03-16-2013, 02:15 AM

I guess I don't really have a problem with Self's behavior today. I mean he looked foolish but whatever. The things that do make me question his character are him whining over the fact that the Big 12 admitted there were officiating errors (he tried to minimize it as well and act like the benefited from only 1 bad call) and the fact that he had a timeout in his pocket when Elijah Johnson went down and dunked it at the end of the game in Ames. Neither Johnson's nor Self's apology about that classless, bush league move hold water for me. If Self had wanted to stop it he could have done so by calling timeout, pulling Johnson over to the sideline and explaining to him that's not the way things are done at KU but Self didn't because what Johnson did is EXACTLY the way things are done at Kansas - with absolutely no class at all.

On Thursday I was watching an SEC tourney game (maybe Tennessee, I can't recall for sure). It was late in the game and the outcome was no longer in question and the team that was up had the ball and due to a 10 second or so difference between the shot clock and game clock they couldn't run the clock all the way down. The team that was ahead took the shot clock violation as to not further run up the score. I thought that was extremely good sportsmanship and class; something KU will never be accused of having.

**isuchicago** · 03-16-2013, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by MIClone

I agree with the original post. I've always been and Self fan and I've never had a problem with KU. No more. I haven't liked Self's statements about the calls in Game 2 (he should have just kept his mouth shut on it), and I thought he looked like a freaking baby tonight (similar to Tom Izzo, who drives me NUTS!). And I do blame the refs for succumbing to his crappy behavior -especially after the last two games).

I agree..he looked like a baby. I don't know if I would say classless..I do think all of his success over the years has turned him into more of an arrogant ***** than he used to be. Hell of a coach and one manipulative SOB. He's one of the better coaches at working people..his own players and refs. Only reason I don't like him is the arrogance that seems to pour out of him a little more each year.

**Tailg8er** · 03-16-2013, 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by CycloneNorth

I don't hate him because I understand that he is being payed a lot of money to win basketball games, which he happens to be pretty good at. I think we're seeing the birth of a great rivalry. Can't wait for the next KU game.

Me either.................

**Tailg8er** · 03-16-2013, 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by cyclo120

I love it and thats why im not complaining but what do you think and what do you think other fan bases think when Babb does his thing after 3s?

If Babb stared down the other team right in front of their bench while high stepping I would hope Fred would put him on the bench for a few minutes instead of reaming the refs until he got a T....

Backpedaling over the half court line while making a gesture to your mouth is a night & day difference to what happened today.

& again, I'm not at all blaming the loss on that sign of unsportsmanship....

**CycloneRulzzz** · 03-16-2013, 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by CycloneKC

I thought he was one of the best coaches in the country and had my respect until that outburst. That was total bush league. His interview at halftime where he was uncontrollably spasming, shaking, and sweating just reinforced the fact. "It was a STRANGE call". That man will win at all costs and it translates to their cocky players.

Regardless if we win or lose I'm proud of CFH and they way our players carry themselves.

Stay classy KU.

All respect I had for Self is now gone.

**Rogue52** · 03-16-2013, 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by KUxJayhawk329

Let me just first state that I come in peace, not looking to start fights just because you all root for a different college team since you grew up in a different state than I did.

Let's forget the game of basketball for a minute.

Earlier this school year, a guy I went to high school with started his freshman year at college at KU. Back in HS he was a TREMENDOUS athlete. Star football in one of Kansas 6A's powerhouses and was an exceptional long jumper in track. Just two weeks into the school year, he had signed an LOI to walk-on for the KU track team. Later that night however, he was struck by a drunk driver and had to have both of his legs amputated from the knee down.
So much for spending his freshman year in Lawrence, so much for what he had planned, he was coming home to our small Kansas town.

After a week or two passed, and he received a phone call. It was from Bill Self, he had tracked down the kids number. Talked to him, and even invited the family to have dinner at his house with his family. Left him with autographed gear and everything.

I'm obviously a little biased, but there is several more stories like that, it makes me think Kansas has a class act coach.
Sure, he might of gotten livid in todays game. But don't most coaches?

Just wanted to throw that in there, good luck to the Cyclones in the big dance. I feel the Big 12 as a conference has something to prove this year.

Yes, all athletic departments have marketing offices that arrange these sorts of things for positive press.

What is your point?

**Madclone1** · 03-16-2013, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by KUxJayhawk329

Let me just first state that I come in peace, not looking to start fights just because you all root for a different college team since you grew up in a different state than I did.

Let's forget the game of basketball for a minute.

Earlier this school year, a guy I went to high school with started his freshman year at college at KU. Back in HS he was a TREMENDOUS athlete. Star football in one of Kansas 6A's powerhouses and was an exceptional long jumper in track. Just two weeks into the school year, he had signed an LOI to walk-on for the KU track team. Later that night however, he was struck by a drunk driver and had to have both of his legs amputated from the knee down.
So much for spending his freshman year in Lawrence, so much for what he had planned, he was coming home to our small Kansas town.

After a week or two passed, and he received a phone call. It was from Bill Self, he had tracked down the kids number. Talked to him, and even invited the family to have dinner at his house with his family. Left him with autographed gear and everything.

I'm obviously a little biased, but there is several more stories like that, it makes me think Kansas has a class act coach.
Sure, he might of gotten livid in todays game. But don't most coaches?

Just wanted to throw that in there, good luck to the Cyclones in the big dance. I feel the Big 12 as a conference has something to prove this year.

"No Class" Self/KU will have a hard time shaking their NEW image from our minds . . classless, whining, cheating, taunting embarrassment to the Big XII.

I personlly hope for nothing less than a first round collapse for KU in the tourney . . . BTW, I look for KSU to put the hammer down on KU tonight since your beloved Beakers spent their emotional coin on ISU last night. Now get lost.

**clonedude** · 03-16-2013, 08:05 AM

I think this T was also pre-planned by Self, just like his last one against us. Both came at about the exact same time in the games.

He was just waiting for the opportunity to do it IMO, and the T against Mclemore gave it to him. I think he was as surprised as I was that he didn't get one right after the T on Mclemore, so he waited for the next best chance, and that was the "hook" by Niang, which wasn't even close to a hook.

I truly believe he just wants to make an early statement to the refs that we are KU and you are going to call the game our way or else I'm going to go ballistic on you. Very whiny, babyish way IMO to act and to try to win, but so be it. I'm still glad we have Fred instead, although I wish he'd get on his players a bit more when they do stupid things.

**isuforlife** · 03-16-2013, 08:18 AM

so he is a *** he fits with the program

**Cydkar** · 03-16-2013, 08:45 AM

We loved LE when he went bugnuts.

**chuckd4735** · 03-16-2013, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by CycloneRulzzz

All respect I had for Self is now gone.

I dont get this. The guy did what he needed to do to beat ISU. I'm guessing he has picked up like 10-15 career T's, and 2 of them came against ISU this season. If anything, I take that as a compliment in the sense that Self is a terrific coach, and he needed to pull out some last resort move to beat this ISU team.

**jsb** · 03-16-2013, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Cydkar

We loved LE when he went bugnuts.

Yep and other fans hated him for it.

I don't blame Kansas fans for liking Self. But I hate getting told by Iowa State fans that I should bow down to Bill Self.

**HFCS** · 03-16-2013, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

Oh shut up. If Hoiberg did this and it helped ISU win, this Forum would be praising him. Its gamesmanship... deal with it.

Against any other team it doesn't bother me. The body of evidence for the type of officiating and outright fixed games KU gets just for being KU is quite substantial so it did bother me when Self went nuclear over two correctly called, completely non-controversial calls in order to change a game he was losing again. That said, through the full 40 minutes we just got soundly outplayed. Doesn't change the fact that other games have been thrown for KU which most certainly is cheating, unsportsmanlike, dishonest, immoral, whatever you want to call it and our fans have a right to vent about it...even after games where KU was simply just the clear better team.

I don't get people being upset about game 1 vs KU, they hit a lucky shot and got typical KU home court calls, it was a frustrating loss but completely the norm. Game 2 was just a fixed game, we can argue that we should move on but when this year comes up there's no reason for our fans to not just all agree on that. If you can't mention game 2 was fixed, just don't bring up our record against KU this year. Posting that KU is 3-0 against us while ignoring the fix is major trolling.

**Rural** · 03-16-2013, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by cyclo120

I don't get the hate for Self during this game. If one of our players had looked at the KU bench after a 3 (apparently thats all he did) and got a T we would be livid, and the small percentage would be ripping Fred a new one for not being more emotional. He didn't do anything to disrespect us so get over it. You don't have to like him but he is a damn good coach.

That T was for taunting and deserved.