My Last Thread

**chriscyzer** · 01-15-2008, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Cyfan13

I just wanted to leave saying that I don't think Rahshon is perfect, as some of you seem to think, but I also don't think he is one dimensional, as some as you seem to think. Here are just a few of my thoughts and numbers on that topic:

- For those of you that say he can only dunk. He has 69 career dunks. That's 138 points. He has 980 career points, so the other 842 points had to come from somewhere other than dunks.

- He is ranked 9th in ISU history for 3 pointers made with 94. For those of you who don't realize, that's more 3's than dunks.

- He is ranked 6th in ISU history for blocks with 94. I'm pretty sure blocks are an important aspect in basketball, otherwise they would not keep this stat.

- He is ranked 13th in ISU history in steals with 130. Once again, defense is pretty important in basketball.

- He is ranked 20th in ISU history in rebounds with 565.

- He has been a defensive stopper, keeping the other team's best player from scoring their avg.

He put these numbers up while going through a coaching change that made him have to totally adjust to a different way of playing basketball and with different teammates each year. He sacrificed his offense for the better of the team, and no one can deny that, as his point totals went down drastically from his soph year. He has the ability to score more than just dunking, and anyone who watched him play as a freshmen or sophmore knows that. His weakness is his ability to dribble and everyone knows that, but I don't think that makes him a one dimensional player considering all of the other stats listed above.

That's just my opinion. Some may think otherwise.

CF was fun getting to see other people's opinions on our team! One thing we can all agree on is that we all want the Cyclones to do well! Go Clones!

I understand if you do not post here again. I think you now realize why people do not just throw their identity out there for everyone to see. It is easier to have an opinion if nobody knows who you are. Take care and Go Cyclones

**CYdTracked** · 01-15-2008, 10:43 AM

Don't let what a few people here might have said a reason to leave. I think 99% of the people here probably admire Rahshon and I know for me personally I have a lot of respect for him and he'll always be one of my more favorite players to have played at ISU. Especially when he probably had every reason to leave when we changed coached and instead he accepted the challenge and changed his game for the sake of the team. He's an athletic freak, he makes plays that I'm not sure anyone before him ever has and we all have enjoyed his highlight dunks, his great defense, and his ability to come up with rebounds that no one else on the court had the ability to go up and get. Like you said, we all know his dribbling is his downfall but anyone who thinks he's a 1 dimensional player obviously doesn't watch enough of our games.

You have to take things here with a grain of salt. Don't let the naysayers chase you off.

**brianhos** · 01-15-2008, 10:51 AM

See this is why I LIKE pictures on here, it brings us together and gets you out of the mindset of anonymous slander.

**Wx4Cy** · 01-15-2008, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by chriscyzer

I understand if you do not post here again. I think you now realize why people do not just throw their identity out there for everyone to see. It is easier to have an opinion if nobody knows who you are. Take care and Go Cyclones

This is why, at least on this board, I think identity is important. Some boards maybe not, but this one just feels more tightly knit than some other "hide behind a screen name and spout" types of boards.

**mt85** · 01-15-2008, 11:06 AM

I think you'd be hard pressed to find many Cyclones that aren't fans of Rahshon Clark. That fact that he stuck with ISU when everyone else was abandoning ship has endeared him to Cyclone fans. No player is perfect, but as long as they put on the Cyclone jersey, they have my support.

**Cyclonesrule91** · 01-15-2008, 11:15 AM

Rashon Clark is probably my favorite Cyclone player because of his integrity, his allegiance to ISU and his monster athletic ability. Anyone criticizing him for his play hasn't watched him over the long haul and is basing an opinion of a bad performance, not his history.

And, if all of us just quit posting because somebody went against our opinions, CF would have a revolving membership of about 50 members, and this is a respectable message board. It would be a lot worse on some of the other sites.

Tough it out

**MaxPower57** · 01-15-2008, 11:27 AM

I'm a big fan of Rahshon, I had a class with him my Freshmen year and he was really cool when i talked to him about the team, he could have just blown me off. He seems to be a good role model for present and future Cyclones to follow.

Of course his game is not perfect but he just brings so much electricity to the fans with his style of play...high flyin dunks, big 3's, and aggressive D. Good luck to you and Rahshon.

**Wx4Cy** · 01-15-2008, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Cyfan13

I just wanted to leave saying that I don't think Rahshon is perfect, as some of you seem to think, but I also don't think he is one dimensional, as some as you seem to think. Here are just a few of my thoughts and numbers on that topic:

- For those of you that say he can only dunk. He has 69 career dunks. That's 138 points. He has 980 career points, so the other 842 points had to come from somewhere other than dunks.

- He is ranked 9th in ISU history for 3 pointers made with 94. For those of you who don't realize, that's more 3's than dunks.

- He is ranked 6th in ISU history for blocks with 94. I'm pretty sure blocks are an important aspect in basketball, otherwise they would not keep this stat.

- He is ranked 13th in ISU history in steals with 130. Once again, defense is pretty important in basketball.

- He is ranked 20th in ISU history in rebounds with 565.

- He has been a defensive stopper, keeping the other team's best player from scoring their avg.

He put these numbers up while going through a coaching change that made him have to totally adjust to a different way of playing basketball and with different teammates each year. He sacrificed his offense for the better of the team, and no one can deny that, as his point totals went down drastically from his soph year. He has the ability to score more than just dunking, and anyone who watched him play as a freshmen or sophmore knows that. His weakness is his ability to dribble and everyone knows that, but I don't think that makes him a one dimensional player considering all of the other stats listed above.

That's just my opinion. Some may think otherwise.

CF was fun getting to see other people's opinions on our team! One thing we can all agree on is that we all want the Cyclones to do well! Go Clones!

Can I have your credits????

**Cyfan13** · 01-15-2008, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Cyclonesrule91

Rashon Clark is probably my favorite Cyclone player because of his integrity, his allegiance to ISU and his monster athletic ability. Anyone criticizing him for his play hasn't watched him over the long haul and is basing an opinion of a bad performance, not his history.

And, if all of us just quit posting because somebody went against our opinions, CF would have a revolving membership of about 50 members, and this is a respectable message board. It would be a lot worse on some of the other sites.

Tough it out

It more has to do with the fact that some feel that because of who I am I am not allowed to make comments about the team/coaches/recruits. Most of the people on this site make the same comments (and a whole lot worse) than I make, but because of who I know, I guess I am not allowed to make them. I am friends with every single guy on the team, and I would never "slam" any of them. If I can't state my opinion and everything I say seems like i'm "slamming" my friends, it doesn't really make any sense for me to post anymore.

**CYKOFAN** · 01-15-2008, 11:53 AM

I haven't been on the cf board much until recently, so I'm a little in the dark on Cyfan13's departure. I assume he's not banned, so there must be some other reason, but I hope it's not because he's been made to feel unwelcome. I interacted with him on the "let's not fire McDermott" post, which morphed into a McDermott v Morgan post. Those comparisons were naturally going to come, especially since Greg replaced Wayne after he was canned. It's also not unusual that the question of race would be discussed in the Morgan firing, especially considering his records and accomplishments at ISU. Cyfan13 did take some heat for bringing it up. Racism, usually very subtle, has been and still is an issue in America, and to ignore it or criticize someone who brings it up doesn't help any of us face it. I don't know if subtle racism had anything to do with Morgan's getting canned. I don't believe it did, but I can't say with 100% certainty that it didn't. I do know I don't believe for a second that JP would have canned Morgan without backing (or more likely prodding) from the big donors. For the most part it appears to me that people have disagreed respectfully on this board, with a few exceptions, and I hope Cyfan13 isn't leaving for that reason, but only he knows. The few posts of his that I did read were presented with facts, and made me think, which like Jim Volvano said, is always a good thing.

**bos** · 01-15-2008, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Cyfan13

It more has to do with the fact that some feel that because of who I am I am not allowed to make comments about the team/coaches/recruits. Most of the people on this site make the same comments (and a whole lot worse) than I make, but because of who I know, I guess I am not allowed to make them. I am friends with every single guy on the team, and I would never "slam" any of them. If I can't state my opinion and everything I say seems like i'm "slamming" my friends, it doesn't really make any sense for me to post anymore.

You just have to ignore them. Believe it or not, if you just ignore them and dont respond to jabs, more times than not, they stop doing it.

**bos** · 01-15-2008, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by CYKOFAN

I haven't been on the cf board much until recently, so I'm a little in the dark on Cyfan13's departure. I assume he's not banned, so there must be some other reason, but I hope it's not because he's been made to feel unwelcome. I interacted with him on the "let's not fire McDermott" post, which morphed into a McDermott v Morgan post. Those comparisons were naturally going to come, especially since Greg replaced Wayne after he was canned. It's also not unusual that the question of race would be discussed in the Morgan firing, especially considering his records and accomplishments at ISU. Cyfan13 did take some heat for bringing it up. Racism, usually very subtle, has been and still is an issue in America, and to ignore it or criticize someone who brings it up doesn't help any of us face it. I don't know if subtle racism had anything to do with Morgan's getting canned. I don't believe it did, but I can't say with 100% certainty that it didn't. I do know I don't believe for a second that JP would have canned Morgan without backing (or more likely prodding) from the big donors. For the most part it appears to me that people have disagreed respectfully on this board, with a few exceptions, and I hope Cyfan13 isn't leaving for that reason, but only he knows. The few posts of his that I did read were presented with facts, and made me think, which like Jim Volvano said, is always a good thing.

CyFan is a lady. Otherwise some of the stuff she has posted would make things awkward regarding Rahshon =)

**Cyfan13** · 01-15-2008, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by CYKOFAN

I haven't been on the cf board much until recently, so I'm a little in the dark on Cyfan13's departure. I assume he's not banned, so there must be some other reason, but I hope it's not because he's been made to feel unwelcome. I interacted with him on the "let's not fire McDermott" post, which morphed into a McDermott v Morgan post. Those comparisons were naturally going to come, especially since Greg replaced Wayne after he was canned. It's also not unusual that the question of race would be discussed in the Morgan firing, especially considering his records and accomplishments at ISU. Cyfan13 did take some heat for bringing it up. Racism, usually very subtle, has been and still is an issue in America, and to ignore it or criticize someone who brings it up doesn't help any of us face it. I don't know if subtle racism had anything to do with Morgan's getting canned. I don't believe it did, but I can't say with 100% certainty that it didn't. I do know I don't believe for a second that JP would have canned Morgan without backing (or more likely prodding) from the big donors. For the most part it appears to me that people have disagreed respectfully on this board, with a few exceptions, and I hope Cyfan13 isn't leaving for that reason, but only he knows. The few posts of his that I did read were presented with facts, and made me think, which like Jim Volvano said, is always a good thing.

And just for the records, I was not the one to bring up race, I just agreed with it. I also did not say it is why JP fired him, just said that it was one of the reasons fans couldn't relate to him. He was nothing like most Iowans, and not just because of his race, but because of where he grew up, and because of his unfriendly personality. I know JP didn't fire Morgan because of these race, and I never said he did. I just wish people would read what the posts actually say before they all start jumping all over someone.

**Cyfan13** · 01-15-2008, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Cyfan13

And just for the records, I was not the one to bring up race, I just agreed with it. I also did not say it is why JP fired him, just said that it was one of the reasons fans couldn't relate to him. He was nothing like most Iowans, and not just because of his race, but because of where he grew up, and because of his unfriendly personality. I know JP didn't fire Morgan because of these race, and I never said he did. I just wish people would read what the posts actually say before they all start jumping all over someone.

And I wasnt referring to you Cyko.