I have SERIOUS doubts about McDermott

**Clone_12** · 02-17-2008, 12:38 PM

It's not even the fact that people don't think McDermott is the guy for us that annoys me...I believe he is, and there are numerous reasons I could point to for why, but if they wanna disagree that's their opinion...what really gets me is their reasoning...evidently we have more talent with Petersen, Wesley, Clark, Brackins, and Hubalek, then we did with Bayless, Thigpen, Hoiberg, Michalik, and Meyer??? Or how about the people saying Greg inherited the program in better shape (McIntosh, Taylor, Clark, Wesley, and Hubalek) than Morgan (Blalock, Stinson, Clark, Vroman, and Homan)??? At least make valid points to back your argument...Some people should have to take a basketball or ISU knowledge test in order to post their opinions on these free public forums. It's embarrasing seeing fellow ISU fans making these outlandish claims, and I just wish they didn't have a public forum where eveyone sees it that they can use.

**bluehooper** · 02-17-2008, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneman003

in the next 1-2 seasons you will eat your words. mcdermott is a great coach...

Thank you for saying what needed to be said. I am as frustrated as everyone else but good grief people, come on. We are on our way to a 15 win season which is what we all said we would be happy with at the beginning of the year. Things are playing out the way most of us thought they would this year.

**isuno1fan** · 02-17-2008, 12:49 PM

Still gotta win 1 more to get 15. That's no easy task given the schedule.

**hoosman** · 02-17-2008, 01:10 PM

If I made high 6 figures salary, I would hire someone to say things like "10 more years" , "wait till next year", and "the cupboard is bare". I didn't watch the game and I don't want McD fired, I just want some objectivity.

The same people who say that you can't expect freshmen to contribute (this year) are saying that freshmen will make all the difference next year. They say Mike Taylor leaving is why we are bad. Who signed Mike Taylor? Who got rid of Mike Taylor?

For the record, I will say that winning some games with walkons is a sign of foresight, adaptability and determination; and WM's mutineers and Lucca are not GMacs fault; but this is year 2, not year 1.

If we improve this year over last, I will be happy. If we sign some good recruits, I will be happy. I think GMac will move us to respectibility - and possibly higher. I believe in large part you make your own luck - if players quit, don't develop, or get in trouble, it's not "bad luck" .

**Logicalfan** · 02-17-2008, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by bluehooper

Thank you for saying what needed to be said. I am as frustrated as everyone else but good grief people, come on. We are on our way to a 15 win season which is what we all said we would be happy with at the beginning of the year. Things are playing out the way most of us thought they would this year.

You know I read this thing for a while before I joined, and it is amazing how the rhetoric on here changes almost daily. At the beginning of the year, MANY people were clamoring about winning at least 18 games. Now that is still possible, but it would be very surprising, to say the least.

Look I was in Cedar Falls when Greg was at UNI and had them ranked in the top 20, watching them play Southern Illinois. Lowrey coached circles around him that night, BUT Grant Stout hit a three, which was forced, again watching the offense stand around, to get them to overtime. And then SIU's guard, I can't remember his name, but he scored like a third of their points (which was like 15 out of their 45), fouled out and UNI won. Travis Brown was also huge that night.

Look, I understand that Greg is going to get ample time to win here, and he should, because of the investment that the AD made in him, and the consequences that his failure could mean to this athletic department. But lets not get carried away here, he hasn't really accomplished anything at Iowa State yet. Add to that the fact that he has zero signature wins at this point (hell even LE had Kansas his first year), and so to say that he is going to win is at least premature. I am a fan, and will continue to root for the Clones, but I am not going to sit here and say just wait, we'll be in the final four next year, like some on this sight do.

EDIT:
The guard was Terrelle Lowrey.

**baller1** · 02-17-2008, 01:23 PM

we could still get kansas this year...

**Logicalfan** · 02-17-2008, 01:27 PM

I'm sorry, one other thing. I found it humorous, to say the least, that the best that everyone could do to prop Greg up was to use Nebraska as a defense. They have zero basketball tradition. If they were any good, the game would have been over at half-time.

I appreciate the win, and the sentiment behind what people were trying to say, but use a better example than the Huskers, oops there really isn't any.

**cycloneworld** · 02-17-2008, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by cyclone#1

Fortunately, I did not get to see this game. 11 points in the first half? Wow, that must have been some scintilating basketball to watch!

Who cares...we won the freaking game. Man, some people will find a way to complain about everything...

We scored 49 in the 2nd half and Hilton was rocking.

**Wesley** · 02-17-2008, 02:19 PM

We are a good free throw shooting team - better than we have been.

Our best shooter is Cory Johnson at 64%.

**ajk4st8** · 02-17-2008, 02:35 PM

Look what Coach Mac has to work with. Then try to imagine ANYONE coaching that group of guys to many victories.

Not gonna happen with anyone my friends. Patience is for us to get new players... not for the ones we have now to magically change how they play. Improvement yes, but we need more positive additions for this team to grow. Its not a coaching problem at this point. Its getting people in the system and staying in the system.

**cyclonenum1** · 02-17-2008, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by rhillary

10 YEARS!?!?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? There is no way we need to wait 10 years to get to the NCAA tourney. Look at Baylor, they had a player get murdered by another player and the coach tried to cover it up, then they had to not play a pre-big 12 season and now they are NCAA bound and how long did that turn around take? And that was a MUCH worse situation and this....at least we didn't have a murder....

You know, this is a great perspective builder for all of those that think that the situation McDermott was hired into was so darned tough. Not saying it wasn't trying but look at what Scott Drew had to cope with at Baylor...which is a school with fewer overall resources athletically than ISU and far, far less basketball tradition.

Summer of 2003 the scandal blows up the Baylor BB program. They hire Drew in August 03 to coach the team in the 03-04 season. They go 8-21 that year. Somewhere near the end of that season, I believe, they are given near death penalty sanctions (realizing that no BCS conference team will ever be given a death penalty in today's world because of the implications with all of the money generating parts of college athletics like TV). Probation through 2010 and severe recruiting and scholarship sanctions through 2007. They also were only allowed to play the conference schedule in the 05-06 season (that is only 2 seasons ago for you math majors). In 04-05 they went 9-19 and in 05-06 they went 4-13.

Last year, they were 15-16 and this year they are having a fine season. So, to answer the question, this is Drew's 5th year in Waco (although most of you would say that it is really his 4th year because he was hired in August prior to his first season and some of you may even say this is really his 3rd year because you can't really count a season where he only was able to have his team play conference games)...you get the point.

**rbrook** · 02-17-2008, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by cyclone#1

Last year, they were 15-16 and this year they are having a fine season. So, to answer the question, this is Drew's 5th year in Waco (although most of you would say that it is really his 4th year because he was hired in August prior to his first season and some of you may even say this is really his 3rd year because you can't really count a season where he only was able to have his team play conference games)...you get the point.

With the group around here, he would have been fired already.

**Go2Guy** · 02-17-2008, 03:09 PM

I see the word "patience" used in many posts, and as a 'Clone fan for 32-years, I'm surprised how the patience ran out on Wayne Morgan. Firing him, with the record he had, was very un-ISU like and I hole Pollard accountable. THat's not how we do things at Iowa State.

**Clone_12** · 02-17-2008, 03:11 PM

For the 100,000th time...Morgan was fired because of HOW we were losing, not because we lost in his last year...when you don't play hard on a consistant basis, you have a 0% chance of overachieving for a season, and not one of Morgan's teams played hard on a consistant basis.

**Logicalfan** · 02-17-2008, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by rbrook

With the group around here, he would have been fired already.

Nobody is calling for Greg to be fired. There are just some people that excercise their right to question.

It's that mentality, that if you don't follow blindly and obediently, that has kept Iowa State athletics in the dark ages. Greg is a nice guy, yay. I am a nice guy too. He chose this profession, and this comes with the territory.

In watching him **** and moan at the officials the last few games, I am beginning to think that he knows that there is some dissatisfaction in the fanbase. It isn't even me, I think that he will be OK. But does that mean that I agree with everything that I see on the floor??? NO, because there are moves that make no sense to me (up 9 against Texas having both Jiri and Wesley on the bench so we had NO offense comes to mind. I know Jiri had fouls, but Wes needed to be in there to draw some defensive respect).

Again, this was a dangerous path that Jamie Pollard took, and he cannot afford to have people lose faith in Greg McDermott. And if you don't think that people have been underwhelmed at times this year with his performance, not just on forums such as this, then you probably need to pull your head out of the sand.