I have SERIOUS doubts about McDermott

BigBake · 02-17-2008, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by cyclone#1

Could he play any worse than he played at the beginning of the season? Not a real tremendous accomplishment to say his play has improved.

Um yeah, he could have kept playing that way.

bostinelosd · 02-17-2008, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by cyclone#1

Could he play any worse than he played at the beginning of the season? Not a real tremendous accomplishment to say his play has improved.

Thats just heartless. He had a lack of confidence. He built it up and is helping us win games. Not sure what to gripe about at this point?

moforisu · 02-17-2008, 04:58 PM

McD can only tell them what he wants, he can not do it for them. Jiri is marked by Morgans lack of coaching. If Jiri had another year under McD I think he might have a shot in the NBA. We are young, very young. with less talented men. It will take time. Those of you who don't have patience, don't have any kids. You'd be a terrible parent.

Logicalfan · 02-17-2008, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by uro cy

Not to rain on everyone's parade, but...
For all the excitement/gloating over the McD doubters, after yesterday's rousing comeback...we beat a Nebraska team that is not very good (despite what the TV announcers would have you believe ). This program still has a long way to go, and hopefully McD will be able to do the job we all hope he can.

It isn't like Greg came in here after taking a team deep into a tournament. I mean people need to remember that the next NCAA, or NIT game that he wins will be his first. And I watched him lose, with better teams, in the MVC tourney. I guess when I hear Iowa State fans talking about what a genius the guy is, I would like a little more evidence.

I am not off the Greg McDermott bandwagon yet, but there needs to be some evidence that he can get it done. And in his two years, so far the only team that he has beaten that has turned out to be any good is Purdue

rbrook · 02-17-2008, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by ripvdub

He talked about that a few weeks ago on his call in show. He likes to wait and hopefully get a few baskets or defensive stops to either quite a crowd or get some momentum, instead of burning a TO everytime things get a lil bad. He said he had to learn that from his mistakes of running out of TO's all with several minutes left.

I remember someone asking LE about not calling a TO when things weren't going well. He said he just told the players they got themselves into the situation and they needed to get themselves out of it and not be looking to him to bail them out. I thought that was hilarious and at the same time I think he was trying to teach them some mental toughness.

kingcy · 02-17-2008, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Logicalfan

In watching him **** and moan at the officials the last few games, I am beginning to think that he knows that there is some dissatisfaction in the fanbase. It isn't even me, I think that he will be OK. But does that mean that I agree with everything that I see on the floor??? NO, because there are moves that make no sense to me (up 9 against Texas having both Jiri and Wesley on the bench so we had NO offense comes to mind. I know Jiri had fouls, but Wes needed to be in there to draw some defensive respect).

Again, this was a dangerous path that Jamie Pollard took, and he cannot afford to have people lose faith in Greg McDermott. And if you don't think that people have been underwhelmed at times this year with his performance, not just on forums such as this, then you probably need to pull your head out of the sand.

He has always worked the refs. Maybe he is getting tired of the refs screwing him over. As well as underwhelmed what did most of you expect at the start of the season?

Originally Posted by Logicalfan

Augustine missed how many open shots??? I think you are having a problem distinguishing between good defense and a bad shooting day.

And again, Nebraska is NOT good. And I guess I don't see how everybody is getting so much better, Haluska made some shots yesterday, that was the difference in his game.

Jiri passed the ball out of the post for the first time in a month instead of forcing a bad shot, so I will give you that one. But how come it took so long???

Yes the good D vs playing bad, funny how that works.
At the start of the Big 12 season people thought Nebraska was a good team and had a good shot at sweeping ISU, now that we beat them they are a bad team. Isnt Haluska making shots now have something to do with the coaches, when he was missing them it was the coaches fault.

Maybe Jiri is passing back out now because players are hitting shots now.

Jiri and Clark are getting McD's system and it is showing. It took them almost 2 years to get it though. Give it time.

Logicalfan · 02-17-2008, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Clone_12

The effort issues now are minimal when compared to then...I have no problem with people saying we have lacked discipline on the offensive end at times (Jiri putting up 3's with 28 on the shot clock, Wesley shooting contested 3's early in the shot clock)...but we have definately played with effort. If we didn't play with effort this team's record would be very, very poor.

Actually, 14-13 is poor, especially when we played a stretch of five games with guarantee teams, and Iowa when they were really bad (without Freeman). That leaves you at 8-13, with one upset (although not so big at the time).

BigBake · 02-17-2008, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Logicalfan

It isn't like Greg came in here after taking a team deep into a tournament. I mean people need to remember that the next NCAA, or NIT game that he wins will be his first. And I watched him lose, with better teams, in the MVC tourney. I guess when I hear Iowa State fans talking about what a genius the guy is, I would like a little more evidence.

I'm not calling him a genius either. I'm just not going to pass judgement on him when he's not even done with his second year.

bostinelosd · 02-17-2008, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Logicalfan

It isn't like Greg came in here after taking a team deep into a tournament. I mean people need to remember that the next NCAA, or NIT game that he wins will be his first. And I watched him lose, with better teams, in the MVC tourney. I guess when I hear Iowa State fans talking about what a genius the guy is, I would like a little more evidence.

I am not off the Greg McDermott bandwagon yet, but there needs to be some evidence that he can get it done. And in his two years, so far the only team that he has beaten that has turned out to be any good is Purdue

Didnt he accomplish his positives with scrubby kids that noone else wanted? I say thats pretty good. Once he gets some Big12 worthy talent under his command I can imagine it will be that much better.

kingcy · 02-17-2008, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Logicalfan

Actually, 14-13 is poor, especially when we played a stretch of five games with guarantee teams, and Iowa when they were really bad (without Freeman). That leaves you at 8-13, with one upset (although not so big at the time).

There are no guaranteed wins for this program at this point. Last time I checked the Big 10546 was a BCS conference and some are mad that Iowa has a few upsets this year and think they are farther along than ISU is.

CLONE2THEBONE · 02-17-2008, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by kingcy

There are no guaranteed wins for this program at this point. Last time I checked the Big 10546 was a BCS conference and some are mad that Iowa has a few upsets this year and think they are farther along than ISU is.

Count me as one who thinks Iowa is farther along than we are.

Freeman is the only one on their team who would play on ours. I suppose you could argue that Johnson would, but he's about as one-dimensional of a player as you can get.

Jiri, Brackins, Clark and Johnson are all better players than the guys at Iowa. Only Freeman is better than Garrett and Peterson.

Mix in the fact that Iowa has even less of a bench than us, and I think Lickliter has done more with less.

Logicalfan · 02-17-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by kingcy

He has always worked the refs. Maybe he is getting tired of the refs screwing him over. As well as underwhelmed what did most of you expect at the start of the season?

He never worked the refs at the expense of coaching your team. I see that happening more and more now.

Yes the good D vs playing bad, funny how that works.
At the start of the Big 12 season people thought Nebraska was a good team and had a good shot at sweeping ISU, now that we beat them they are a bad team. Isnt Haluska making shots now have something to do with the coaches, when he was missing them it was the coaches fault.

Maybe Jiri is passing back out now because players are hitting shots now.

Jiri and Clark are getting McD's system and it is showing. It took them almost 2 years to get it though. Give it time.

I thought Jiri got it last year??? I know that he was hurt, but I thought it was his foot, not his short term memory.

And there is no way to tell if it's because they hitting shots now, he just started doing it yesterday. That didn't stop him from forcing five shots though.

And Nebraska was picked like 9th preseason, that does NOT mean that they were any good. We were picked for 11th, so I guess you are right, we have TOTALLY overacheived.

83Clone · 02-17-2008, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by CLONE2THEBONE

Count me as one who thinks Iowa is farther along than we are.

Freeman is the only one on their team who would play on ours. I suppose you could argue that Johnson would, but he's about as one-dimensional of a player as you can get.

Jiri, Brackins, Clark and Johnson are all better players than the guys at Iowa. Only Freeman is better than Garrett and Peterson.

Mix in the fact that Iowa has even less of a bench than us, and I think Lickliter has done more with less.

The key point in your statement is that Iowa has better GUARDS than we have-thus you might argue they are further along, although I'm not sure I would say they are. They just lost at home by 8 to a team that got beat by Harvard.

CLONE2THEBONE · 02-17-2008, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by 83Clone

The key point in your statement is that Iowa has better GUARDS than we have-thus you might argue they are further along, although I'm not sure I would say they are. They just lost at home by 8 to a team that got beat by Harvard.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Freeman is all the Hawk fans make him out to be. He's ok...kind of a Dean Oliver light, who was also vastly over-rated.

I'm definitely not saying that Justin Johnson would start for us. He wouldn't. He would play some. Iowa's guards are not a ton better than ours, if at all.

So do you agree that we're better than them at the other 4 positions and also deeper? I seriously believe we are.

Clone_12 · 02-17-2008, 05:33 PM

Watch the first 25-30 minutes of the Texas game and try to say we didn't do a great job on Augustin...he was continuosly forcing up contested shots and was not penetrating like he normally does due to our defense...we switched up our game-plan a little at the end to try and cover up Abrams more, and that's when Augustin started missing uncontested shots...and the last time I checked, we're not 8-13. If you wanna complain about some of those w's being against cupcakes, then I suggest you take a look at the last 15 years of ISU basketball, because you'll have to go back to the Big Vic days before you find a truly grueling ISU non-conference schedule...every team since has had their share of cupcake wins.