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Logicalfan · 02-18-2008, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by cys_av8r

He absolutely gets held responsible for 11 points in the half.

At this point I am not 100% sure he is the right guy, but then again no one is. All of these posters calling for his head after that half of basketball are they SURE he needs to go? Based on a half of basketball? Based on a season where he has had injuries and a brand new backcourt?

I think he has done fairly well considering the situation he was handed, and to give a guy a year and a half to put a team at the top of the Big 12 is a lot to ask of anyone, especially someone who lost all of the players he did.

My posts as of late have been to those people who call for a coach's head at the drop of a hat. I beleive we even had a few people on here calling for Chiz last year early on. The answer isn't to FIRE the coach all the time. There are times where it is, but not GMac and not now.

Thanks for answering.

We all have one thing in common, we all want Iowa State to win. I only ask, in this rebuilding time that we look like we have a clue out there, and that is my point of concern. I don't expect to beat a good team when they are playing well, but he has had two legitimate shots at getting that win that excites everyone, and it hasn't happened, YET.

Playing in the league that we do, he will continue to get ample opportunity to beat a "big boy."

I just wish that people could at least be allowed to be candid on here, the quality of play that we have exhibited lately has been very low. It is OK to acknowledge it, even question Greg about it, the buck does stop with him.

I read that Appleton is going to Kansas, and people who were pining for him, no make it sound like he wouldn't really help us that much. That is what I am talking about, be real people, that hurts, and we need to start getting some of these kids.

cyismydog · 02-18-2008, 04:54 PM

It definitely hurts if we don't get Appleton, I am not going to lie. We do want him, but he is not irreplaceable if he goes to Kansas.

Logicalfan · 02-18-2008, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by cyismydog

It definitely hurts if we don't get Appleton, I am not going to lie. We do want him, but he is not irreplaceable if he goes to Kansas.

But see that is what I am talking about......people are so afraid of saying anything even remotely critical of the coaches here. Because people don't want to be accused of not being that good kool aid drinking Cyclone fan like many of the ones who try to frame all of the debates so they can prove that they are the most loyal fans on the sight. They have to try to rationalize all the failures somehow.

And as we saw with the football program over the years, that, my "dog" is how a program stays mediocre.

cycloneworld · 02-18-2008, 05:09 PM

I honestly cannot believe there is a debate whether we have the right guy in place after 1 3/4 seasons. Wow. The guy had turnover galore when he took over the program and had basically a few months to put together a recruiting class. He has only had 1 true recruiting class to get his guys in here, the team's best player screws up off the court, one of his top recruits gets sacked for a year by the NCAA, the THREE best players on his team have been battling injuries, and this is the type of discussion that is happening already. It's sick.

jahfg · 02-18-2008, 05:10 PM

I'm not afraid to be critical of the coaches and I have been. I just don't think we can get an accurate assessment of what ISU basketball is going to be like yet. It is okay to be upset with the way we play sometimes. However, a logical person understands the circumstances of the situation and knows that a program picked last in the Big XII the past two seasons isn't going to magically become a powerhouse. I am willing to give McD a pass knowing that he was put in a bad situation and has very little talent to work with. A logical person wouldn't have expected McD to turn this program into a contender in less than two years. I'm not going to get all worked up about a bad game because I believe things are going to get better. Until then, there is no need to get bent out of shape.

Logicalfan · 02-18-2008, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

I honestly cannot believe there is a debate whether we have the right guy in place after 1 3/4 seasons. Wow. The guy had turnover galore when he took over the program and had basically a few months to put together a recruiting class. He has only had 1 true recruiting class to get his guys in here, the team's best player screws up off the court, one of his top recruits gets sacked for a year by the NCAA, the THREE best players on his team have been battling injuries, and this is the type of discussion that is happening already. It's sick.

No, a Division 1 basketball team scoring 11 points in one half, on a day where we were celebrating 100 years of Iowa State basketball, is sick. This is just good healthy debate.

cycloneworld · 02-18-2008, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Logicalfan

No, a Division 1 basketball team scoring 11 points in one half, on a day where we were celebrating 100 years of Iowa State basketball, is sick. This is just good healthy debate.

Just like Kentucky scoring 11 points in the first half against Vandy. I couldn't believe we got blown out by 45 just like they did...it was embarrassing.

Oh wait, WE WON THE FREAKING GAME. I don't care if we win 4-3 and its uglier than a 7th grade C-team girls basketball game.

Logicalfan · 02-18-2008, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by jahfg

I'm not afraid to be critical of the coaches and I have been. I just don't think we can get an accurate assessment of what ISU basketball is going to be like yet. It is okay to be upset with the way we play sometimes. However, a logical person understands the circumstances of the situation and knows that a program picked last in the Big XII the past two seasons isn't going to magically become a powerhouse. I am willing to give McD a pass knowing that he was put in a bad situation and has very little talent to work with. A logical person wouldn't have expected McD to turn this program into a contender in less than two years. I'm not going to get all worked up about a bad game because I believe things are going to get better. Until then, there is no need to get bent out of shape.

Who said anything about being a powerhouse, or a even a contender? Again exaggerating because you don't have an argument doesn't impress me.

If you can read, and apparently comprehend, what I have written, it isn't about winning losing the games at this point. It's that we don't look like we are even coached at times, and we continue to miss on recruits. That, speaks to the direction of the program, and that is what is being debated.

cys_av8r · 02-18-2008, 05:19 PM

I would argue that a lot of what we are seeing out there when it comes to dumb plays/turnovers is related to an extremely inexperienced backcourt/team. This of course is only my opinion and I feel no need to state whether or not it is logical.

ISUFan22 · 02-18-2008, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

I honestly cannot believe there is a debate whether we have the right guy in place after 1 3/4 seasons. Wow.

Ditto. Ready to check out on these discussions for a while - because they're a bit crazy.

cycloneworld · 02-18-2008, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Logicalfan

If you can read, and apparently comprehend, what I have written, it isn't about winning losing the games at this point. It's that we don't look like we are even coached at times, and we continue to miss on recruits. That, speaks to the direction of the program, and that is what is being debated.

Again, like Kentucky looked against Vandy...they got blown out by 45. Does that mean Billy Gillespie can't coach??

How about Belien at Michigan? Those guys are terrible but he can't coach either right?

Frank Martin must be a great coach because he instantly came to K-State and is winning, right?

It's all about having the players in place for your system. It's not about only scoring 11 points in one half of basketball. McDermott has had 1 full recruiting season....AND one of his top recruits had to sit out a year.

Logicalfan · 02-18-2008, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

Just like Kentucky scoring 11 points in the first half against Vandy. I couldn't believe we got blown out by 45 just like they did...it was embarrassing.

Oh wait, WE WON THE FREAKING GAME. I don't care if we win 4-3 and its uglier than a 7th grade C-team girls basketball game.

Let's see, Vanderbilt is a top 20 team. and luckily, we were playing one of the four bad teams in the conference, at home. I still laugh at people like yourself thumping your chest over this win. It's humorous, it really is, like them bragging about beating Missouri with half their team out......It wasn't that impressive.

Again, no valid argument from you, but, we'll try this again......NOONE is calling for Greg to be fired. But silly me, I think that it is not too much to ask for a Division 1 basketball team to reverse the ball in the half court set. 7th Grade C-team girls can do that much.

jahfg · 02-18-2008, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Logicalfan

Who said anything about being a powerhouse, or a even a contender? Again exaggerating because you don't have an argument doesn't impress me.

If you can read, and apparently comprehend, what I have written, it isn't about winning losing the games at this point. It's that we don't look like we are even coached at times, and we continue to miss on recruits. That, speaks to the direction of the program, and that is what is being debated.

That post wasn't specifically directed at you or at least I didn't intend it to be.

Anyways, I guess I disagree with your assessment that we don't look coached. Most on this site believe we may even be overcoached. We look bad sometimes, yes. A lot of that has to do with the talent level. Good players make a coach look good while bad players make them look bad. That isn't hard to understand. Learning a new system with players that don't necessarily fit that system also present a problem.

It is funny you say we don't look coached because Rick Barnes told his team that we would be the most well coached team they had played yet. What I think Barnes meant is that we would be the most coach-controlled team. McD likes to control as many facets of the game as he can. This team can be criticized up and down for several reasons. I just don't think that your reason is one of them.

jbhtexas · 02-18-2008, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

Just like Kentucky scoring 11 points in the first half against Vandy.

Vandy is 22-4 overall, and 7-4 in SEC play. If ISU was playing that caliber of team, putting up 11 points in a half might be excusable...

cybsball20 · 02-18-2008, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

Again, like Kentucky looked against Vandy...they got blown out by 45. Does that mean Billy Gillespie can't coach??

How about Belien at Michigan? Those guys are terrible but he can't coach either right?

Frank Martin must be a great coach because he instantly came to K-State and is winning, right?

It's all about having the players in place for your system. It's not about only scoring 11 points in one half of basketball. McDermott has had 1 full recruiting season....AND one of his top recruits had to sit out a year.

There is a BIG difference in playing a ranked Vandy, at their place, that was picked to finish in the top 2 of the SEC and one of the worst teams in BCS basketball at home.