Let's all relax

[cardinal&gold]

Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer

Logicalfan:
Please read these boards as if people are stating their opinion and try and think objectively about the message contained within said opinion. In my opinion you read from an extremely subjectively critical standpoint which you then use to support your claims. You then rebuke every other person's opinion if they don't happen to perfectly match yours. This is for you.
1. I feel that your opinion is that our program is not achieving to your standards and you question the direction of our program.
2. Others then state that they feel as though it is too soon to be able to fully see which direction our program is heading and that more time is needed to fully assess the situation.
3. I chime in with my opinion that negative comments should be withheld from these boards because no conclusions can really be drawn yet and negative comments only depress me (I also generalize a little bit by making the assumption that others may be discouraged by negative remarks as well - forgive me if incorrect) I also apologize if anyone was offended by my first comment, i did not mean to insinuate that I was better than anyone and in fact i have been quite vocal about my dislikes for coaches in the past. I was just trying to make a point.
4. I feel as if you do not listen at all and instead make implicit comments about how fans like me are blind or avoid directly commenting on some of your opinions. I also feel as if you like attacking other's opinions when they may not even be responding to your post.

As for my opinion - We played terrible in the first half against Neb. All-around terrible. We did come out in the second half and played like a much better team and won the game when we could easily have folded and been beat by 30. In my opinion that is a positive thing and the staff and players should be complimented for their ability to put the first half behind them and play better and even get a win.

This is very well stated and I agree with everything.

[Logicalfan]

Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer

Logicalfan:
Please read these boards as if people are stating their opinion and try and think objectively about the message contained within said opinion. In my opinion you read from an extremely subjectively critical standpoint which you then use to support your claims. You then rebuke every other person's opinion if they don't happen to perfectly match yours. This is for you.
1. I feel that your opinion is that our program is not achieving to your standards and you question the direction of our program.
2. Others then state that they feel as though it is too soon to be able to fully see which direction our program is heading and that more time is needed to fully assess the situation.
3. I chime in with my opinion that negative comments should be withheld from these boards because no conclusions can really be drawn yet and negative comments only depress me (I also generalize a little bit by making the assumption that others may be discouraged by negative remarks as well - forgive me if incorrect) I also apologize if anyone was offended by my first comment, i did not mean to insinuate that I was better than anyone and in fact i have been quite vocal about my dislikes for coaches in the past. I was just trying to make a point.
4. I feel as if you do not listen at all and instead make implicit comments about how fans like me are blind or avoid directly commenting on some of your opinions. I also feel as if you like attacking other's opinions when they may not even be responding to your post.

As for my opinion - We played terrible in the first half against Neb. All-around terrible. We did come out in the second half and played like a much better team and won the game when we could easily have folded and been beat by 30. In my opinion that is a positive thing and the staff and players should be complimented for their ability to put the first half behind them and play better and even get a win.

No actually, it was in response to everyone claiming that the second half of the Nebraska game somehow validates everything, and that the previous games against some good Big 12 teams somehow don't count because we came back against Nebraska.

Look, I know that we are all supposed to hold hands and sing 60's folk songs about unity, and peace and love. Sorry, I just don't feel it. And, God forbid, you have a different opinion (especially one that isn't all rosey)......

Anyway, here's to hoping that we can at least play well over the last six games.

[ISUFan22]

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

What's next....we let him continue coaching next year??

Sadly, yes.

I've sent my resume to Pollard at least 10 times this season. And what do I get back?

Nothing. Not even one of those standard "We've reviewed your resume and you're the absolute last person we'd hire. Even if it came down between you and a farm animal, we'd hire the animal as our coach." type of responses.

I'd say we're in trouble, folks.

[CycloneWanderer]

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

Right! Man...those teams should be banned from further play.

Just like a team that loses by 30 to an in-state foe they should beat year in and year out. Send those horrible programs packing as well.

Oh...wait....

I thought this was a pretty humorous post

Thanks for lightening the mood, I needed it.

[CYEATHAWK]

Originally Posted by jahfg

I specifically remember hearing McD yelling for them to reverse it or skip it. Of course, they didn't do it. The one time I do remember them doing it, Haluska got an open three in the corner. Just because the players aren't executing doesn't mean the coaching isn't there.

"Just because the players aren't executing doesn't mean the coaching isn't there."

This is EXACTLY what logical is talking of when speaking of hearing way too many let's excuse Danny Mac look alike posts. Remember..it's not like Mac is throwing interceptions, fumbling the football, too small, too slow etc....etc..! And I bet Wayne Morgan would have appreciated this sentiment when Jamie was showing him the door.

Anyway, the long and short of it is.....do you think Johnny, Tim, LE or Wayne could do more with what GMac is working with?

[ISUFan22]

Originally Posted by cardinal&gold

He didn't say anything about them being banned. He only said losing by 45 points in-conference shouldn't happen.

[cardinal&gold]

Originally Posted by Logicalfan

No actually, it was in response to everyone claiming that the second half of the Nebraska game somehow validates everything, and that the previous games against some good Big 12 teams somehow don't count because we came back against Nebraska.

Look, I know that we are all supposed to hold hands and sing 60's folk songs about unity, and peace and love. Sorry, I just don't feel it. And, God forbid, you have a different opinion (especially one that isn't all rosey)......

Anyway, here's to hoping that we can at least play well over the last six games.

I don't think that your sarcasm is helping you make a point. If anything it makes people respond more contentiously, which is prohibiting any kind of real "discussion," which you claim to want. Now this thread has devolved into attacking each other's motives.

[ISUFan22]

While we're at it, I'm looking for directions...can anyone help me?

[cycloneworld]

Originally Posted by Logicalfan

Look, I know that we are all supposed to hold hands and sing 60's folk songs about unity, and peace and love. Sorry, I just don't feel it. And, God forbid, you have a different opinion (especially one that isn't all rosey)......

Weren't you just bashing people for making jokes instead of discussing the issue?

[Logicalfan]

Originally Posted by cardinal&gold

I don't think that your sarcasm is helping you make a point. If anything it makes people respond more contentiously, which is prohibiting any kind of real "discussion," which you claim to want. Now this thread has devolved into attacking each other's motives.

Cumbaya, there sir/madam (sorry I don't know)
Like I said, here's to playing well in the last six games. everything is great. Let's not shortchange Greg, lifetime contract.

[ISUFan22]

Originally Posted by cardinal&gold

I don't think that your sarcasm is helping you make a point. If anything it makes people respond more contentiously, which is prohibiting any kind of real "discussion," which you claim to want. Now this thread has devolved into attacking each other's motives.

Which is exactly what his goal was, throw darts at the issue to create discourse, rather than a logical discussion. We've seen this game before.

Instead of wrestling with the pig (when you do so, you get dirty and the pig likes it) - just ignore it and/or play along.

It's a lot more funnerest.

[cardinal&gold]

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

Weren't you just bashing people for making jokes instead of discussing the issue?

Originally Posted by Logicalfan

See, this is exactly what I was talking about. No real defense, so try to make fun of someone with an opinon. That's fine, I understand, I have seen it many times in people who cannot defend something. So I will ask a serious question of you to simplify the situation.

It would appear so.

[cyclonenum1]

Originally Posted by cybsball20

Coaching during the game is WAY overrated. It should be drilled into their heads in practice and preseason to do those kind of things. They should have to be yelled at to know what to do with the ball...

I agree with this...especially in basketball.

The coach should not be directing players where to go or where to pass as the game is occurring...there is something wrong with that. A good coach drills his team and then pretty much let's them play.

He controls substitution patterns during the game so that guys that are putting forth the requisite effort, guys that are having a good night, or guys that are a match-up advantage are in the game as needed. He should also ensure that good out of bounds plays are called coming out of time outs. He should alternate defenses to keep the opponent off balance. He should utilize timeouts to help keep the game in control. That is the type of stuff the coach should be involved with...not directing players where to stand and where to pass.

[zach]

Soooo, what do you guys think about the Box-and-One or do you prefer man on man or even zone? I think Greg is too tall to be taken seriously by the front court players and certainly can't relate to the shorter guys on the team! Finally, we need a change because we don't run the box and one enough..

But seriously, someone mentioned that we sound like our neighbors to the east...right on!

Groundhog day!

Z

[Logicalfan]

Originally Posted by zach

Soooo, what do you guys think about the Box-and-One or do you prefer man on man or even zone? I think Greg is too tall to be taken seriously by the front court players and certainly can't relate to the shorter guys on the team! Finally, we need a change because we don't run the box and one enough..

But seriously, someone mentioned that we sound like our neighbors to the east...right on!

Groundhog day!

Z

Z,

Who has said anything about changing coaches??? I haven't, and I think that there is no way there should be a change. My complaints are on how we play, not the wins and losses.

Now at some point in the next 2-3 years, it will be about the wins, but that isn't the case now. Now it's about playing correctly, and if you have seen that out of this team lately (the second half of the Nebraska game being the exception), then we may just differ on what fundamentals are, and that is fine.