I think his stats will probably go up or at least stay the same.
There has been quite a few freshman in the Big 12 recently that have had great numbers and I think the college game is evolving to fit the style of play that a lot of freshman have. I mean, Beasley is breaking records that people like Wayman Tisdale set decades ago. Augustin, Durant, Rush, Ford, Stinson, a whole bunch of guys who were freshman that were really good. You can definitely make the case that the game is more open than ever to players coming in and smashing records.
For example Beasley as a junior averaged 20.1 ppg, 10.4 rpg and 4.0 bpg. So far this year he is averaging 25.7 ppg, and 12.6 rpg. His block numbers are down from high school.
Eikmeier as a junior averaged 25.9 ppg, and 5.5 apg. Since I don't know his rpg we can't extrapolate that number, but if his scoring increases just like Beasley's then he will average about 33.1 ppg for us next year if he doesn't redshirt.
I struggled a bit with why Beasley's numbers would go up like that in the Big 12 but Beverly from Arkansas had his numbers go down but there was a couple of reasons that I could think of.
First off the Big 12 is not the SEC and if you look at Beverly's stats that becomes pretty clear. Beverly is playing powerhouses like LSU all the time. In four career games against LSU Beverly has only had 14, 9, 9, and 17 points. That average of 12.25 points is almost 25 points off of his high school numbers. If Beasley had to play LSU you would expect him to score only about 6 or 7 points based on Beverly's performance, so it is safe to assume that Wes would also struggle against SEC teams.
The other reason is probably that there are a lot of new coaches in the Big 12 who are anxious to get their own players playing. Pretty much only Scott Drew, Bill self, and Rick Barnes have been there for any amount of time. McDermott is one of the longer tenured coaches after only 1.75 years. I didn't bother to check but since the SEC has been around a lot longer I bet their coaches have been too, so they probably have a bunch of established players and they play favorites/don't play the freshman as much. Because McDermott has had a lot of players leave, especially guards, I would bet Eikmeier will put up great numbers.
Hope this look at the Big 12 and SEC helped you out with what to realistically expect from Eikmeier his first year.
DeMarcus Nelson from Duke is still the all-time California State leader in scoring with 3462 points.....and California has produced a lot of good players. In his first year at Duke, he averaged 19.2 minutes and 6.2 ppg. Keep in mind that 20 minutes per game is pretty good for a freshman at Duke.
Translation: high school scoring doesn't mean anything.
DeMarcus is a very good player now as a senior, but still averages only like 15.6 ppg. Eik is obviously not a Oden or Durant, so it will most likely take time for him to really contribute. If he has the skills, he will get used to the better competition, and will be a good player. You don't have to average 30 ppg to be a good player.
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I just think that people who expect Eikmeier to do a lot worse aren't looking at the reality of the situation which is that some freshman come into the Big 12 and just tear it up. There's probably a lot of reasons for that and I'm sure it doesn't happen in the SEC but fortunately Eik won't be playing in the SEC.
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Southeastern Conf All
Tennessee (2) 11-1 24-2
Kentucky 8-3 14-10
Vanderbilt (20) 7-4 22-4
Florida 7-5 20-7
South Carolina 4-7 12-13
Georgia 3-8 12-12
Mississippi St. 8-3 17-8
Arkansas 7-4 18-7
Mississippi 4-7 18-7
Auburn 3-8 13-11
Alabama 3-8 14-12
LSU 2-9 9-16
Look at it this way: Every Big 12 school except for Oklahoma State that has been to the Final Four since the Big 12 started is in the top half of the Big 12 (Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas). So you have a few good schools and the other schools are just there to pump up freshman's numbers.
Tennessee has never been to the Elite 8 and they are leading the SEC which goes to show how tough it is top to bottom. Just a few years ago LSU was in the Final Four and now they are at the bottom - talk about tough. Kentucky, Florida, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Mississippi State have all been in the Final Four since the SEC started.
The numbers don't lie folks, lots more good teams in the SEC.
Years ago maybe that's true.
I do not have a clue, if he redshirts I am pretty sure his numbers will all be 0's, other than I do not know. He is having a great year and I am enjoying it. I will worry about next year. next year.
We could be talking about a guy that was going to come to ISU a few years ago, absolutely unbelievable scorer, played in a huge division in a major metro area... and then didn't go to ISU and is now at Minnesota.
He scored 40 ppg in high school in a very competitive conference and has done pretty much nothing in college. As has been said many, many times... WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW WELL HE IS GOING TO DO UNTIL HE GETS HERE.
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Proof? I've posted 3-4 times. :)
Secondly, I'm not sure what your argument about Tennessee has to do with anything. Just because they're good now but used to suck means that the SEC is tough? That doesn't make sense to me. All that means is that Tennessee is a better team now than they used to be. That happens in every conference. Teams move up the standings, other teams move down, depending on talent and coaching. That's what's happened to LSU, for that matter. They had a couple of NBA-caliber players on their Final Four team, and the program regressed after they left. The same thing happened to Mississippi State in the late 90's after their Final Four run, not to mention Georgia and Arkansas. They all had down seasons. It's indicative of the cyclical nature of college basketball, not the ongoing strength of the SEC. And, by the way, Alabama has never been to a Final Four.
If you're going to compare Final Four teams from each conference, the following teams that are currently in the Big 12 have all been to the Final Four: Kansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Colorado, Iowa State, Texas, and Baylor. That's nine of the 12 teams, compared to six for the SEC.
As for right now, the SEC has two teams ranked in the Top 25 (Tennesse at 2nd, and Vandy at 20th). The Big 12 has four. The SEC, a better basketball conference than the Big 12? I don't buy it.