Rules question

[snowcraig2.0]

Not sure which forum this belongs, but I have a question for those in the know about basketball rules.

We were playing a rec league game the other day, and had this situation arise. On a rebound, one of the offensive players tipped the ball out, and it rolled past half court. The rebounder never gained possession of the ball, he just tipped it out. Is this over and back?

[khaal53]

Yes, it is.

[isucyfan]

Not sure which forum this belongs, but I have a question for those in the know about basketball rules.

We were playing a rec league game the other day, and had this situation arise. On a rebound, one of the offensive players tipped the ball out, and it rolled past half court. The rebounder never gained possession of the ball, he just tipped it out. Is this over and back?

Not a ref or anything, but I believe this would be over and back.

Just like if a pass deflected off one of our players and into the backcourt, this would be over and back.

Not sure, though...good question.

[wonkadog]

My interpretation is that once a shot goes up, team possession is lost, thus since team possession was never regained again (the tip does not constitute regaining team possession), this would not be over-and-back.

[snowcraig2.0]

I always understood after the ball hits the rim, that it is a loose ball. That's why the shot clock resets. It's definitely a tough one. I tried to look it up on the interweb, but couldn't find anything about it.

[wonkadog]

It doesn't matter if the ball hits the rim, if the officials deem that it is a shot attempt, that marks the end of team possession.

[isucyfan]

A friend of mine refs college ball here in the Twin Cities...I'll email him and see what he says.

[snowcraig2.0]

It doesn't matter if the ball hits the rim, if the officials deem that it is a shot attempt, that marks the end of team possession.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

[cloneu]

It doesn't matter if the ball hits the rim, if the officials deem that it is a shot attempt, that marks the end of team possession.

But why does the shot clock not reset on an airball? I have not played to much organized ball so rules aren't my thing, but I would say it is over and back.

[khaal53]

Over and back is called off of last touch. Say your teammate made a pass, a defender tipped it, followed by a tip from you or another teammate and then the ball went over half court. Over and back.

[4429 mcc]

It doesn't matter if the ball hits the rim, if the officials deem that it is a shot attempt, that marks the end of team possession.

This is correct

[wonkadog]

Over and back is called off of last touch. Say your teammate made a pass, a defender tipped it, followed by a tip from you or another teammate and then the ball went over half court. Over and back.

You are right but this situation isn't the same. No team control is established after the shot goes up in this situation (picture it just being a "jump ball"). It doesn't matter who tips it around in this case, no team has secured team possession until someone actually grabs the ball...tipping doesn't count.

[snowcraig2.0]

But why does the shot clock not reset on an airball? I have not played to much organized ball so rules aren't my thing, but I would say it is over and back.

The shot clock does not reset on an airball. But, the same player can rebound their own airball, as the player is viewed to have lost possession of the ball, and long as it is a legit shot attempt.

[khaal53]

I think you may be right. But the offense also doesn't have clear posession when the defense tips the ball in the passing scenario, either.

[wonkadog]

Exactly, the crowd would go nuts if a player ever caught their own shot but it's completely within the rules and wouldn't be travelling.