Coach McD on radio

I don't think McD has underachieved in his recruiting. He has gone after some great players. He has had 5 and 4 star prospects visit regularly (but not for awhile) but just couldn't land them. We have been getting the players that are willing to come here to play. If we want some studs, we gonna need more wins and to keep the good attendance. McD has had very little to work with. Lets give him some more time. Somebody posted his record at other schools several months ago and I remember it saying that his second year at his previous colleges has always been his worst. Lets see where the team is when his second recruiting class (Craig, Lucca, Diante) are juniors.

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Originally Posted by CycloneGizzard

I understand what McD is saying, but quite frankly I've been underwhelmed by his X's and O's this season. I think our offense is incredibly boring and easy to defend and our defense has been lacking as well. I know that McD is a big man to man d kind of coach, but I think mixing in a zone every now and then would've been nice, especially against a team like mizzou that is not good at shooting the 3. Oh well, we'll be better next year, I hope.

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I dont think its a boring offence that is holding the b-ball team back...Its recruiting or lack thereof and the fact that this team plays no defence and rebounds like a 7th grade team!!

I watched creighton and drake play yesterday and then watched isu and there is a world of difference in RECRUITED ATHLETES AND THE AMOUNT OF DEFENCE THAT THE TEAMS PLAYED IN SAID GAME!!

Unless recruiting improves marketedly and the defence and rebounding improves well.....welcome to the second division PERMANENTLY!!!

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Originally Posted by CyBobby

I dont think its a boring offence that is holding the b-ball team back...Its recruiting or lack thereof and the fact that this team plays no defence and rebounds like a 7th grade team!!

I watched creighton and drake play yesterday and then watched isu and there is a world of difference in RECRUITED ATHLETES AND THE AMOUNT OF DEFENCE THAT THE TEAMS PLAYED IN SAID GAME!!

Unless recruiting improves marketedly and the defence and rebounding improves well.....welcome to the second division PERMANENTLY!!!

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Despite spelling defense and offense the British way, your delivery is not very refined!

You are right about needing better athletes, but I think the last two games has shown a much improved offense. The passes have been crisper, the movement better, the set plays working more.

Defense and rebounding needs to get better, as does general toughness, but I believe this is going to be the thinnest bunch of guys you'll see in a while. DG is going to have to get much stronger, and when he does, he'll finish at the basket even better. Same with Brackins.

It's bound to get better, then there will be athletes on here saying you post like a 7th grader.:smile:

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Originally Posted by isucyfan

Despite spelling defense and offense the British way, your delivery is not very refined!

You are right about needing better athletes, but I think the last two games has shown a much improved offense. The passes have been crisper, the movement better, the set plays working more.

Defense and rebounding needs to get better, as does general toughness, but I believe this is going to be the thinnest bunch of guys you'll see in a while. DG is going to have to get much stronger, and when he does, he'll finish at the basket even better. Same with Brackins.

It's bound to get better, then there will be athletes on here saying you post like a 7th grader.:smile:

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Thanks for your response but...from experience I can flat tell you that this is the worst basketball this side of Ken Trickey and Lynn Nance.

Im still willing to give Mac another ten years or so to get me to the post season play..Patience is good for the soul!!

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Originally Posted by CyBobby

Thanks for your response but...from experience I can flat tell you that this is the worst basketball this side of Ken Trickey and Lynn Nance.

Im still willing to give Mac another ten years or so to get me to the post season play..Patience is good for the soul!!

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I'm not disputing that we weren't very good this year. But saying we play like 7th graders may not be the best way to say it.

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Originally Posted by CyBobby

Thanks for your response but...from experience I can flat tell you that this is the worst basketball this side of Ken Trickey and Lynn Nance!

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And what exeprience would that be? Did you win the arm chair coaching division?

The G'town and Wisconsin games he got coached under the table imho.

I remember watching that Wisconsin game. The Badgers started out on fire from behind the 3-point line and got a big early lead. I think they made something like their first 6 3-point shots or something ridiculous like that. UNI made a big comeback in that game and I think even may have outscored Wisconsin the rest of the way and lost by just five.

I only saw part of the Georgetown game, but if I remember correctly, Hibbert had a huge size advantage, and I think that definitely helped out G'Town. Jeff Green (who was a lottery pick in the NBA Draft) was also on that team, which went to the Sweet Sixteen. It's not like McD's teams lost to a bunch of crappy teams in the tournament.

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Originally Posted by ISUChippewa

The G'town and Wisconsin games he got coached under the table imho.

I remember watching that Wisconsin game. The Badgers started out on fire from behind the 3-point line and got a big early lead. I think they made something like their first 6 3-point shots or something ridiculous like that. UNI made a big comeback in that game and I think even may have outscored Wisconsin the rest of the way and lost by just five.

I only saw part of the Georgetown game, but if I remember correctly, Hibbert had a huge size advantage, and I think that definitely helped out G'Town. Jeff Green (who was a lottery pick in the NBA Draft) was also on that team, which went to the Sweet Sixteen. It's not like McD's teams lost to a bunch of crappy teams in the tournament.

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Exactly. I remember getting pumped that these "farmboys" were keeping up with some top teams. I have nothing to say against McDermott. He did some fantastic things with what he had.

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Originally Posted by bostinelosd

Exactly. I remember getting pumped that these "farmboys" were keeping up with some top teams. I have nothing to say against McDermott. He did some fantastic things with what he had.

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As he did this year. Two walk on guards, your best player being hurt all year, and freshman, freshman, freshman. It's amazing we won 10 games.

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Originally Posted by Bobber

As he did this year. Two walk on guards, your best player being hurt all year, and freshman, freshman, freshman. It's amazing we won 10 games.

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Definitely. I know people around here hate hearing the "he needs more time" phrase, but its the truth. He takes middle of the road players and wins with them and we all know that when you win and your program starts to rise, you pull in higher talent. Its a slow and ugly process but it pays off in the end.

Someone remind me if this is correct, but I believe it was Cyfan13 that said Brackins was a Morgan recruit that essentially was ours before the coaching change, and he just decided to keep that decision afterwards?

I feel its too early to judge recruiting. Here's what we've got:

5*
Craig Brackins
3*
Dodie Dunson - gone
Cory Johnson
Mike Taylor - gone
Marcus Brister -gone
Diante Garrett
Lucca Staiger
2*
Wesley Johnson
Corey McIntosh - gone
Charles Boozer
Clayton Vette - gone

I think the player turnover is the much bigger issue.

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Originally Posted by CrossCyed

Someone remind me if this is correct, but I believe it was Cyfan13 that said Brackins was a Morgan recruit that essentially was ours before the coaching change, and he just decided to keep that decision afterwards?

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That is incorrect...Mcdermott actually had been in contact with him and developed a good relationship with him while at UNI, but knew he didn't have much of a chance at him...when he got the ISU job he was able to get Brackins to sign on the dotted line for a BCS school.

Sure player turnover has been a problem. Most of it however has been due to the coaching change and factors out of Greg's control. If you look at Greg's history players rarely leave his teams.

All the coaches from Tim Floyd through Wayne Morgan had a lot of player turnover, so I'm not sure why a stink is being made about what's happened recently?

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Originally Posted by Bobber

Sure player turnover has been a problem. Most of it however has been due to the coaching change and factors out of Greg's control. If you look at Greg's history players rarely leave his teams.

All the coaches from Tim Floyd through Wayne Morgan had a lot of player turnover, so I'm not sure why a stink is being made about what's happened recently?

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Those were all his recruits that left. They may or may not be factors out of his control, but it's still his responsibility.

I am very happy he made those comments! Thank GOD he understands this...You win games by having the best talent in the league! Just like Morgan wasn't the best coach but his staff and himself could recruit! I loved it! I think our offense is easy to defend and I hope MAC makes some changes and lets our players play! I love MAC calling plays after a timeout and such cause he is great at that but our offense in a MVC offense and I don't feel it will work in the Big 12...We need to be able to score more than 70 points per game! I think we will see major changes in the offense next year in terms of the way MAC wants the offense ran...GO STATE!