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04-15-2008, 06:13 PM
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Actually coach Mac brought in Wes J, Craig Brackins, Lucca, and Mike Taylor (who has a great chance to be drafted in the NBA).
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04-15-2008, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rhillary  Show me a fan base with tons of patience and I will show you a fan base that is use to losing....  Good point. I hope Pollard fires McDermott tonight, if Vanderbeken committed some where else. Two years is more than enough time to be successful. He is a bum, clearly can't coach or recruit. Damn, if Pollard had a clue he would have fired McDermott yesterday and hired Keno Davis.
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04-15-2008, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ISUFan22 I need a bank account with more money in it.
This is the thread listing some general crap we need, right? Dang, that is funny stuff. Can you hook me up with the person that writes your material?
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04-15-2008, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jhill Good point. I hope Pollard fires McDermott tonight, if Vanderbeken committed some where else. Two years is more than enough time to be successful. He is a bum, clearly can't coach or recruit. Damn, if Pollard had a clue he would have fired McDermott yesterday and hired Keno Davis. Yeah, that wasn't over reaction...
I am just saying that everyone says we need more patience but I am dead serious when I say I can't think of a good program that has a lot of patience. I can name A TON of good to awesome programs with no patience though... 
note: I am not saying fire ANYONE, I like our coaches!!!
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04-15-2008, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jhill Good point. I hope Pollard fires McDermott tonight, if Vanderbeken committed some where else. Two years is more than enough time to be successful. He is a bum, clearly can't coach or recruit. Damn, if Pollard had a clue he would have fired McDermott yesterday and hired Keno Davis. That's clearly not what he meant or wants to happen by his post. When your coach has a record of 27-34 vs D1 teams in his first two years you can expect some folks who aren't overly happy.
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04-15-2008, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Drive4cy That's clearly not what he meant or wants to happen by his post. When your coach has a record of 27-34 vs D1 teams in his first two years you can expect some folks who aren't overly happy. I respond to a post basically of gloom and doom. He jumped right in and said that we shouldn't have patience, effectively saying that only losers have it. You really have no idea what he did or didn't mean.
When your Coach is starting from scratch, fans should understand that and not set their expectations too high. For example, fans shouldn't buy into a bunch of comments about summer league exploits and base their expectations on that. Nor should fans expect a school like Iowa State to rebuild overnight.
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04-15-2008, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rhillary Yeah, that wasn't over reaction...
I am just saying that everyone says we need more patience but I am dead serious when I say I can't think of a good program that has a lot of patience. I can name A TON of good to awesome programs with no patience though...
note: I am not saying fire ANYONE, I like our coaches!!! So lack of patience correlates to winning?
This same reasoning could be used to blame our lack of success on atmospheric CO2 levels.
To bad Duke wasn't patient when Coach K started. They would be a lot more successful firing him after year three.  |
'But I love the idea of the Sacrificial Lamb. . . There are consequences to actions. The point of the death of Christ is that Christ took on the sins of the world, so that what we put out did not come back to us, and that our sinful nature does not reap the obvious death. That's the point. It should keep us humbled. . . It's not our own good works that get us through the gates of heaven.'
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04-15-2008, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Incyte So lack of patience correlates to winning?
This same reasoning could be used to blame our lack of success on atmospheric CO2 levels.
To bad Duke wasn't patient when Coach K started. They would be a lot more successful firing him after year three. Personally, I don't call 4 years being "patient". That is called due course and I believe every football and basketball coach should be given 4 years before they are let go (unless something illegal is going on).
Look where being patient with Alford got Iowa. Good thing they kept their patience and didn't fire him.... 
The whole point is there is a point where patience doesn't get you anything. Just because you have a coach for 8,9,10 + years doesn't mean you are garanteed to win. It just means you don't have a AD willing to pull the plug or a fan base that is use to losing.
Just out of curiousity but where was all this patience talk when WM got canned?
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04-15-2008, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rhillary Personally, I don't call 4 years being "patient". That is called due course and I believe every football and basketball coach should be given 4 years before they are let go (unless something illegal is going on).
Look where being patient with Alford got Iowa. Good thing they kept their patience and didn't fire him....
The whole point is there is a point where patience doesn't get you anything. Just because you have a coach for 8,9,10 + years doesn't mean you are garanteed to win. It just means you don't have a AD willing to pull the plug or a fan base that is use to losing.
Just out of curiousity but where was all this patience talk when WM got canned? You could say that Alford had a better resume coming in too...
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04-15-2008, 06:39 PM
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I just posted this because I knew someone would. Now we have it out of the way. Welcome to ISU LA!
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04-15-2008, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by rhillary Personally, I don't call 4 years being "patient". That is called due course and I believe every football and basketball coach should be given 4 years before they are let go (unless something illegal is going on).
Look where being patient with Alford got Iowa. Good thing they kept their patience and didn't fire him....
The whole point is there is a point where patience doesn't get you anything. Just because you have a coach for 8,9,10 + years doesn't mean you are garanteed to win. It just means you don't have a AD willing to pull the plug or a fan base that is use to losing.
Just out of curiousity but where was all this patience talk when WM got canned? Tom Davis and Lute Olson directly conflict with you "patience premise." They were both run out of town.
Just for the record, I thought we should have given WM more time but this isn't about him. This is about people going off the deep end when we possibly lose an average potential spring signee. Our 2009 recruiting class is 5 times more important than whatever we sign in the 2008 spring class. People need to have a little perspective. Instead, everybody overreacts to what is happening right now.
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04-15-2008, 06:41 PM
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I'd rather have Pomlee than Vanderbeken. Maybe it's just me though.
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04-15-2008, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BryceC I'd rather have Pomlee than Vanderbeken. Maybe it's just me though. I would too, but I would also like to have SOMEONE that can come in right away and play a big role... I just don't see that with this class...
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04-15-2008, 06:46 PM
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Hey I agree. But I don't think it's definitive that Vanderbeken is that guy either. I never thought I'd see the board melt down over missing on a two year juco former Iowa commit. Considering Alford's taste in big guys I honestly wasn't all that into him to begin with.
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04-15-2008, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ajk4st8 Actually coach Mac brought in Wes J, Craig Brackins, Lucca, and Mike Taylor (who has a great chance to be drafted in the NBA).
Don't forget Diante. He was a sleeper on the recruiting trail and ended up just outside the top 100 at 111 or somewhere near. I think McD has shown he can recruit so far. This program has yet to build a foundation.
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