Tim Floyd

Wesley · 05-02-2008, 08:49 AM

He could hire a family relative like they do in Kansas State and others.

4429 mcc · 05-02-2008, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by CyinCo

People, McD really has nothing to do with Harrison's decision. IMO, all McD could do is make Harrison NOT want to come to ISU by doing or saying something stupid. However, there really isn't much any coach can do in his situation. HB already knows Ames; he lives there. HB already knows the team; he goes to games, practices, city league. He already knows ISU; his mom works there and lives nearby. This leaves Coach with no selling tools. Seriously, what more can McD do to try to get HB to ISU. The best he can do is have a good relationship with HB, which it sounds like he does. In the end, though, HB is making this decision and it really comes down to this: Do I want to stay in this place I know so well or go elsewhere? I think if you took a poll of high school seniors, you would get a 50/50 split of kids who can't wait to get the hell out of dodge and those who would cry if they had to live somewhere other than their hometown. McD is in a tough position here. He will be judged by many fans based on what HB decides, but his hands are really tied here. He is along for the ride just as much as fans are. If HB decides to come to ISU, IMO, that doesn't make McD a great recruiter. On the flip side, if HB decides to not come to ISU, I don't think that makes McD a poor recruiter. In this case, I think Coach has little effect on what HB decides.

BINGO!!!!

CRcyclone6 · 05-02-2008, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by CyinCo

People, McD really has nothing to do with Harrison's decision. IMO, all McD could do is make Harrison NOT want to come to ISU by doing or saying something stupid. However, there really isn't much any coach can do in his situation. HB already knows Ames; he lives there. HB already knows the team; he goes to games, practices, city league. He already knows ISU; his mom works there and lives nearby. This leaves Coach with no selling tools. Seriously, what more can McD do to try to get HB to ISU. The best he can do is have a good relationship with HB, which it sounds like he does. In the end, though, HB is making this decision and it really comes down to this: Do I want to stay in this place I know so well or go elsewhere? I think if you took a poll of high school seniors, you would get a 50/50 split of kids who can't wait to get the hell out of dodge and those who would cry if they had to live somewhere other than their hometown. McD is in a tough position here. He will be judged by many fans based on what HB decides, but his hands are really tied here. He is along for the ride just as much as fans are. If HB decides to come to ISU, IMO, that doesn't make McD a great recruiter. On the flip side, if HB decides to not come to ISU, I don't think that makes McD a poor recruiter. In this case, I think Coach has little effect on what HB decides.

well said.

cyadict · 05-02-2008, 09:03 AM

I've got such a bad feeling about this.

Cydkar · 05-02-2008, 09:08 AM

Mac's recruiting tool is showing progress. He either will or he won't.

BryceC · 05-02-2008, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Cydkar

Mac's recruiting tool is showing progress. He either will or he won't.

Agree - Mac has a lot of effect on whether Barnes comes here or not, and another no postseason year will probably have quite an effect on that. And that's McD's responsibility and it might have everything to do with Barnes' decision.

Landshark · 05-02-2008, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by JJ4ISU

If McDermott loses Barnes to USC and Floyd...well, let's just say that tells me a little something...

Ditto that....let's pray it doesn't happen.

CloneAggie · 05-02-2008, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by CyinCo

People, McD really has nothing to do with Harrison's decision. IMO, all McD could do is make Harrison NOT want to come to ISU by doing or saying something stupid. However, there really isn't much any coach can do in his situation. HB already knows Ames; he lives there. HB already knows the team; he goes to games, practices, city league. He already knows ISU; his mom works there and lives nearby. This leaves Coach with no selling tools. Seriously, what more can McD do to try to get HB to ISU. The best he can do is have a good relationship with HB, which it sounds like he does. In the end, though, HB is making this decision and it really comes down to this: Do I want to stay in this place I know so well or go elsewhere? I think if you took a poll of high school seniors, you would get a 50/50 split of kids who can't wait to get the hell out of dodge and those who would cry if they had to live somewhere other than their hometown. McD is in a tough position here. He will be judged by many fans based on what HB decides, but his hands are really tied here. He is along for the ride just as much as fans are. If HB decides to come to ISU, IMO, that doesn't make McD a great recruiter. On the flip side, if HB decides to not come to ISU, I don't think that makes McD a poor recruiter. In this case, I think Coach has little effect on what HB decides.

He could start by winning more games and showing we can once again compete for conference titles and consistent NCAA appearances.

CyRocket · 05-02-2008, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by CyinCo

People, McD really has nothing to do with Harrison's decision. IMO, all McD could do is make Harrison NOT want to come to ISU by doing or saying something stupid. However, there really isn't much any coach can do in his situation. HB already knows Ames; he lives there. HB already knows the team; he goes to games, practices, city league. He already knows ISU; his mom works there and lives nearby. This leaves Coach with no selling tools. Seriously, what more can McD do to try to get HB to ISU. The best he can do is have a good relationship with HB, which it sounds like he does. In the end, though, HB is making this decision and it really comes down to this: Do I want to stay in this place I know so well or go elsewhere? I think if you took a poll of high school seniors, you would get a 50/50 split of kids who can't wait to get the hell out of dodge and those who would cry if they had to live somewhere other than their hometown. McD is in a tough position here. He will be judged by many fans based on what HB decides, but his hands are really tied here. He is along for the ride just as much as fans are. If HB decides to come to ISU, IMO, that doesn't make McD a great recruiter. On the flip side, if HB decides to not come to ISU, I don't think that makes McD a poor recruiter. In this case, I think Coach has little effect on what HB decides.

I agree and have said much the same. This is a no win situation for McD. If HB comes people will say "of course he did he lives here" and if he doesn't people will scream about what a bad recruiter he is. As you said it's not up to McD, it's up to HB. We can only sit back and hope for the best, which is what McD is probably doing.

jbhtexas · 05-02-2008, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by CyinCo

Seriously, what more can McD do to try to get HB to ISU.

Win games and show that ISU can be a legitimate contender in the Big 12. Get to post season play so that HB will be comfortable that he will get adequate exposure to improve his stock as he looks to the NBA (I'm assuming if HB is as good as everybody says he is, he will have aspirations to play in the NBA).

Stop the player turnover (transfer to other schools) so that HB sees stability in the program. Kids leaving for the NBA could be used as a positive recruiting tool. Kids transferring to other schools...not so much...

Originally Posted by CyinCo

In this case, I think Coach has little effect on what HB decides.

Perhaps GMac as an individual has little effect on HB (and I really don't believe that either). But what GMac does with the team on the floor will have a significant effect on what HB does. It's unlikely that anybody with as many good choices as HB purportedly has will choose to play with a team that looks to be a loser and shows no promise of improving.

I'm sorry...saying that the head coach of a Div I MBB team has little effect on what recruits come to the school just seems to lack grounding in reality...

cyfanatic · 05-02-2008, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

Win games and show that ISU can be a legitimate contender in the Big 12. Get to post season play so that HB will be comfortable that he will get adequate exposure to improve his stock as he looks to the NBA (I'm assuming if HB is as good as everybody says he is, he will have aspirations to play in the NBA).

Stop the player turnover (transfer to other schools) so that HB sees stability in the program. Kids leaving for the NBA could be used as a positive recruiting tool. Kids transferring to other schools...not so much...

Perhaps GMac as an individual has little effect on HB (and I really don't believe that either). But what GMac does with the team on the floor will have a significant effect on what HB does. It's unlikely that anybody with as many good choices as HB purportedly has will choose to play with a team that looks to be a loser and shows no promise of improving.

I'm sorry...saying that the head coach of a Div I MBB team has little effect on what recruits come to the school just seems to lack grounding in reality...

Great post! Spot on!

leg4cy · 05-02-2008, 09:54 AM

Al Davis has a famous quote that seems applicable here. What was it??? O yea...JUST WIN BABY!

cyphan · 05-02-2008, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by JJ4ISU

Johnny Orr kept Fred Hoiberg from sunny Tucson, Arizona. Now Greg McDermott needs to keep Harrison Barnes from sunny Southern California...

Might I remind everyone that Hoiberg was a ball boy for ISU. He grew up with ISU and bled cardinal and gold. He still thought about leaving for Arizona. Harrison is going to make a decision at 17 y/o on where he wants to attend and play college ball. One can grow up a fan and even bleed the school colors and still decide to go elsewhere. At the end of the day, I like where ISU stands, but the kid needs to follow his heart and do what's best for him. He's a bright young man, he'll make the right decision.

ISUFan22 · 05-02-2008, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by CyinCo

People, McD really has nothing to do with Harrison's decision. IMO, all McD could do is make Harrison NOT want to come to ISU by doing or saying something stupid. However, there really isn't much any coach can do in his situation. HB already knows Ames; he lives there. HB already knows the team; he goes to games, practices, city league. He already knows ISU; his mom works there and lives nearby. This leaves Coach with no selling tools. Seriously, what more can McD do to try to get HB to ISU. The best he can do is have a good relationship with HB, which it sounds like he does. In the end, though, HB is making this decision and it really comes down to this: Do I want to stay in this place I know so well or go elsewhere? I think if you took a poll of high school seniors, you would get a 50/50 split of kids who can't wait to get the hell out of dodge and those who would cry if they had to live somewhere other than their hometown. McD is in a tough position here. He will be judged by many fans based on what HB decides, but his hands are really tied here. He is along for the ride just as much as fans are. If HB decides to come to ISU, IMO, that doesn't make McD a great recruiter. On the flip side, if HB decides to not come to ISU, I don't think that makes McD a poor recruiter. In this case, I think Coach has little effect on what HB decides.

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

Win games and show that ISU can be a legitimate contender in the Big 12. Get to post season play so that HB will be comfortable that he will get adequate exposure to improve his stock as he looks to the NBA (I'm assuming if HB is as good as everybody says he is, he will have aspirations to play in the NBA).

Stop the player turnover (transfer to other schools) so that HB sees stability in the program. Kids leaving for the NBA could be used as a positive recruiting tool. Kids transferring to other schools...not so much...

Perhaps GMac as an individual has little effect on HB (and I really don't believe that either). But what GMac does with the team on the floor will have a significant effect on what HB does. It's unlikely that anybody with as many good choices as HB purportedly has will choose to play with a team that looks to be a loser and shows no promise of improving.

I'm sorry...saying that the head coach of a Div I MBB team has little effect on what recruits come to the school just seems to lack grounding in reality...

These are both very good posts. I think the "reality" lies somewhere in between. Greg has said this is a project many times, not going to win overnight. ISU MBB needs to be built back up and he's working toward that.

I do agree if we're not winning some games soon - we'll see guys like Barnes go to greener pastures.

cycloneryan · 05-02-2008, 10:18 AM

That is a good point that McD really has nothing to sell HB. We can't really offer him anything other than what he already knows and has. USC would look pretty good to any 17 year old kid from the midwest. I have never had a good feeling about the chances of him coming here. Wait and see i guess.