Tim Floyd

CyinCo · 05-02-2008, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

Win games and show that ISU can be a legitimate contender in the Big 12. Get to post season play so that HB will be comfortable that he will get adequate exposure to improve his stock as he looks to the NBA (I'm assuming if HB is as good as everybody says he is, he will have aspirations to play in the NBA).

Stop the player turnover (transfer to other schools) so that HB sees stability in the program. Kids leaving for the NBA could be used as a positive recruiting tool. Kids transferring to other schools...not so much...

Perhaps GMac as an individual has little effect on HB (and I really don't believe that either). But what GMac does with the team on the floor will have a significant effect on what HB does. It's unlikely that anybody with as many good choices as HB purportedly has will choose to play with a team that looks to be a loser and shows no promise of improving.

I'm sorry...saying that the head coach of a Div I MBB team has little effect on what recruits come to the school just seems to lack grounding in reality...

Hey, I totally agree winning games will help. McD is the coach, though, and not a player. How many games have we lost in the past two seasons due to poor coaching during the game or poor planning by the coaches prior to the game. I would say, not many. There may be a couple where the coaches just missed on the strategy. ISU is losing games because a lack of depth and talent.

The turnover thing will slow but will always be there. CoJo left for playing time. I don't see this as a bad thing. If players are leaving because they don't like the coach or the school, then that is bad.

And lastly, I didn't say that the coach has no effect on recruiting. It would be silly to think that. He does with most recruits. Most recruits need to be "sold" on the school and that is the coaching staff responsibility. For example, getting Craig Brackins to come from Palmdale, CA to Ames, IA is a recruiting job well done. But when a kid already knows EVERYTHING there is to know about a school, team, and city, what else can the coach do or say to get that kid to come play for him? Of course winning will help. But I doubt Coach is sitting around going "hey, I have an idea. Lets win some games. That will get HB to come here." Of course the coaching staff is trying to win games. But it isn't going to happen without talent and depth. Chicken or the egg problem.

BryceC · 05-02-2008, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by CyinCo

Hey, I totally agree winning games will help. McD is the coach, though, and not a player. How many games have we lost in the past two seasons due to poor coaching during the game or poor planning by the coaches prior to the game. I would say, not many. There may be a couple where the coaches just missed on the strategy. ISU is losing games because a lack of depth and talent.

It is the coach's responsibility to put a winning product on the floor. Next year there will be zero Wayne recruits on the roster. Coaching isn't just about x's and o's - I don't think you'll find anybody that will claim Rick Barnes from Texas is a master strategist. You'll find a lot of people that claim he is a great coach - and that's because he has enough ability with coaching strategy and he's a great recruiter.

Tornado man · 05-02-2008, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by BryceC

It is the coach's responsibility to put a winning product on the floor. Next year there will be zero Wayne recruits on the roster. Coaching isn't just about x's and o's - I don't think you'll find anybody that will claim Rick Barnes from Texas is a master strategist. You'll find a lot of people that claim he is a great coach - and that's because he has enough ability with coaching strategy and he's a great recruiter.

Wow - check his Providence and Clemson years. Rick Barnes won BIG at both schools with less than great talent. Yeah, I for one think he is a "master strategist" from his huge success at those two schools - not just a great recruiter. He didn't just fall into the Texas job...

CTAClone · 05-02-2008, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by SuperCy

That southern California is better than Ames, IA? Sun and fun vs cold and snow. Great looking women as far as the eye can see. LA or Story County?

It's nice to think that we'd all stay and play close to home. Let's be honest. How many of us wanted to leave town when we were 17 or 18 years old?

Here are some facts about USC.

It's not in a nice area of town.
It's a concrete jungle.
Almost everyone in LA is an actor, or at least says they are.
Beer is over priced and it's impossible to find a place that sells pitchers.
The sunny days get to be really annoying and you just pray that there will be a cloudy day soon.

But the women part is true so who cares what else I could say about USC.

SpokaneCY · 05-02-2008, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by JJ4ISU

If McDermott loses Barnes to USC and Floyd...well, let's just say that tells me a little something...

That some kids want to make their own way in life rather than cling to a bunch of fans hopes? HB has an entire life ahead of him that MAY entail him going to LA or Chapel Hill or somewhere else where he can be an anonymous talent rather than a kid with so many expectations heeped on him but the chattering-class. If the kid has the chops then he has the option of playing whereever the heck he wants. I HOPE its Ames, but HB has to live HIS life.

ajk4st8 · 05-02-2008, 11:42 AM

Have CycloneAlley at all of HB's games. Put the pressure on!

sodakjoe · 05-02-2008, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by ajk4st8

Have CycloneAlley at all of HB's games. Put the pressure on!

The thought of this just blows my mind.

Wesley · 05-02-2008, 11:50 AM

I think bigger competition is Kansas and not the also ran USC team. Kansas is always taking people out of Iowa.

CyRide3 · 05-02-2008, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by ajk4st8

Have CycloneAlley at all of HB's games. Put the pressure on!

It was mentioned here and I think I agreed at the time that we should have had a Harrison chant at one of our games this year. The kid was nearly at all of our games, but it was stated which is probably true that the average fan didn't know him. Oh well.

Cyballs · 05-02-2008, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by SuperCy

That southern California is better than Ames, IA? Sun and fun vs cold and snow. Great looking women as far as the eye can see. LA or Story County?

It's nice to think that we'd all stay and play close to home. Let's be honest. How many of us wanted to leave town when we were 17 or 18 years old?

SuperCy, you still want to live in GC, just admit it. Riding your bike up tank.

TedKumsher · 05-02-2008, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by BryceC

. . . Next year there will be zero Wayne recruits on the roster. . . .

And only a couple of not-last-minute-trying-to-stop-the-bleeding recruits.

BryceC · 05-02-2008, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by TedKumsher

And only a couple of not-last-minute-trying-to-stop-the-bleeding recruits.

He's been here for two full recruiting classes and been responsible for 3 recruiting classes - that's almost a full cycle. Frankly in that much time if we only have a couple of guys that don't fit your profile than that is his fault.

Edit: I just looked it up 13 new players were added the last two years and 7 of them (Brackins, Garrett, Staiger, Mann, Hamilton, Eik, Buckley) that all signed in the early signing period so I don't think they would qualify as "last minute".

cycloneworld · 05-02-2008, 01:21 PM

Why does every discussion about a recruit turn into a debate over McDermott's coaching and recruiting capability.

This went from seeing Tim Floyd at Aunt Maude's into McDermott needs to win now to get Barnes.

No one has any clue except for Barnes (and maybe he doesn't even know yet) where he is going to go and the reasons for it. If he does go elsewhere I doubt he would list "Not recruiting the hell out of me" as a reason.

32Cyclone Fan · 05-02-2008, 01:29 PM

I think that Tim's appearance in Ames may not have anything to do with recruiting as I'll bet he's got his scholarships filled for next season. I read last week that he and C. Vivian Stringer were speakers at the Nike Championship Basketball Clinic at AIB in Des Moines from May 2nd to May 4th.

DesMoinesRegister.com

The last I heard Larry Eustachy's family still lived in Ames so he might have been visiting them as well as other acquaintances.

kralon20 · 05-02-2008, 01:45 PM

Tim is speaking at a basketball clinic in Des Moines tonight.