NCAA APR-Report

MontyBurns · 05-16-2008, 06:26 PM

Tim Floyd established the tradition, Larry and Wayne continued it. You can blame any or all of them for our current situation.

In case anyone is wondering, Larry's current team has an APR of 891 (bottom 10th percentile), and Tim's current team has an APR of 863 (also bottom 10 percent). Good job, guys.

CloneInHawkCounrty · 05-19-2008, 08:45 AM

And what are Wayne's numbers?

Of thats right, he was such a great coach no one has hired him.

CloneAggie · 05-19-2008, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by CloneInHawkCounrty

And what are Wayne's numbers?

Of thats right, he was such a great coach no one has hired him.

What is the point you are trying to make? Please find anywhere in this thread where anyone said Wayne "was such a great coach".

bellzisu · 05-19-2008, 10:21 AM

Ok.... Lets put it this way. The previous coaches didn't have to worry about this NCAA rule, so they recruited alot of borderline "student" athletes.

This came to a boil when Wayne left. When everyone transfered it but us in a horrible situation, which is the way I understand people explaining it.

Blame who you want, say what you want about the previous coaches. My understanding is that Morgan urged his players to leave after he was fired. So personally, I'm going to blame Morgan for most of it.

CloneAggie · 05-19-2008, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by bellzisu

Ok.... Lets put it this way. The previous coaches didn't have to worry about this NCAA rule, so they recruited alot of borderline "student" athletes.

This came to a boil when Wayne left. When everyone transfered it but us in a horrible situation, which is the way I understand people explaining it.

Blame who you want, say what you want about the previous coaches. My understanding is that Morgan urged his players to leave after he was fired. So personally, I'm going to blame Morgan for most of it.

Wasn't there a frequent poster a while back that was very close to the program and those players that said this isn't true.

bellzisu · 05-19-2008, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by CloneAggie

Wasn't there a frequent poster a while back that was very close to the program and those players that said this isn't true.

I could of missed it.... But if he did... I'm blaming him... Remember our society these days is guilty until proven innocent.

I'm sorry you have a man cruch on Morgan so much. I know you don't want people to bash him and your sick of the love of McD. We know it, its been noted, but there is a reason he still doesn't have a job.... Am I sure McD is the answer? Not yet but I'm giving him another year or so. You can't suddenly fix this situation overnight. Just watch the Hawkeyes next year. They will probably be worse then this year. They also have a coach going into his second year.

Like it or not... Wayne is gone.. It is what it is. Players left after he left, leaving us in a world of hurt.

Truth hurts.

BryceC · 05-19-2008, 10:51 AM

This has been stated many, many, many, many, many times but Wayne did not encourage his players to leave ISU. It comes from a source as close as possible to the situation.

It's not Wayne's fault the players left. There is no way that can be put on him. If it's anybody's fault it's Pollard's for firing him without thinking about what could happen to the program. I don't have a mancrush on Morgan but I get sick and tired of seeing his name get drug through the mud when all he did was the best job he could do.

CloneAggie · 05-19-2008, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by bellzisu

I could of missed it.... But if he did... I'm blaming him... Remember our society these days is guilty until proven innocent.

I'm sorry you have a man cruch on Morgan so much. I know you don't want people to bash him and your sick of the love of McD. We know it, its been noted, but there is a reason he still doesn't have a job.... Am I sure McD is the answer? Not yet but I'm giving him another year or so. You can't suddenly fix this situation overnight. Just watch the Hawkeyes next year. They will probably be worse then this year. They also have a coach going into his second year.

Like it or not... Wayne is gone.. It is what it is. Players left after he left, leaving us in a world of hurt.

Truth hurts.

It was a she ... Clark's fiancée IIRC.

Because I don't believe Morgan is entirely to blame for all of our current problems, I have a man-crush on him. Good reasoning there.

I never said that Morgan was a great coach. I never said I dislike McD (please find where I said I didn't like him). I want McD to succeed. I want him to be at ISU for the rest of his coaching career. I simply don't see the need to bash Morgan for problems we currently have. Players do leave after coaches are fired. That should have been anticipated and expected by the person or people making the decision to fire him.

Wesley · 05-19-2008, 11:05 AM

That all said above we are in the lowest tier at 869 APR. Pretty much you need to be avove 900 in a port to avoid penakites. With 4 year running average, this cannot be cured in a year also. Did we get credit for more than Jiri and Rashon graduating. That is only two people.

APR score of 869 is scraping the very bottom of the barrow. I would not be surprised if we were in the bottom 2%. Yes, there are a ton of reasons why few one graduated lately. yet the reasons do not matter to the NCAA. They just take a schollie away after a warning letter. I think the people leaving the team from last year will ultimately impact our schollies since 869 is a pathetic score in NCAA eyes. All other Clone sports scored above 900.

bellzisu · 05-19-2008, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by CloneAggie

It was a she ... Clark's fiancée IIRC.

Because I don't believe Morgan is entirely to blame for all of our current problems, I have a man-crush on him. Good reasoning there.

I never said that Morgan was a great coach. I never said I dislike McD (please find where I said I didn't like him). I want McD to succeed. I want him to be at ISU for the rest of his coaching career. I simply don't see the need to bash Morgan for problems we currently have. Players do leave after coaches are fired. That should have been anticipated and expected by the person or people making the decision to fire him.

How many people left Drake... I know MV basketball but still... How many left Iowa then??? 1 to date, and Smith was gone when Alfraud was still there.

Yes turnover happens but ours was extreme....

I know Clarks fiance was on the board... I MISSED THAT PART where she said it was not at his urging. I just said until either I look it up, or someone shows me it in writing, I'm still blaming Morgan. Ignorant? Yes, but thats the way I'm rolling on this.

It's not like I'm bashing Morgan, he probably got a raw deal, but he is still unemployed for the most part. Doesn't really speak to highly of him as a coach huh???

Like I said, Morgan left, player left, leaving us in a world of hurt. This goes off a 4 years average do the math.

Sorry for saying you have a man crush on Morgan. I know you don't want to see him bashed, but seriously he does have some blame for this. He could of talked to his players and encouraged them to stay and give the new staff a chance. Did He????

BryceC · 05-19-2008, 11:54 AM

I know you don't want to see him bashed, but seriously he does have some blame for this. He could of talked to his players and encouraged them to stay and give the new staff a chance. Did He????

How do you know he didn't?

I just said until either I look it up, or someone shows me it in writing, I'm still blaming Morgan. Ignorant? Yes, but thats the way I'm rolling on this.

I'll just go on assuming you are a neo-nazi facist. I mean that's how I'm rolling on this.

cyclonenum1 · 05-19-2008, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by bellzisu

How many people left Drake... I know MV basketball but still... How many left Iowa then??? 1 to date, and Smith was gone when Alfraud was still there.

Yes turnover happens but ours was extreme....

I know Clarks fiance was on the board... I MISSED THAT PART where she said it was not at his urging. I just said until either I look it up, or someone shows me it in writing, I'm still blaming Morgan. Ignorant? Yes, but thats the way I'm rolling on this.

It's not like I'm bashing Morgan, he probably got a raw deal, but he is still unemployed for the most part. Doesn't really speak to highly of him as a coach huh???

Like I said, Morgan left, player left, leaving us in a world of hurt. This goes off a 4 years average do the math.

Sorry for saying you have a man crush on Morgan. I know you don't want to see him bashed, but seriously he does have some blame for this. He could of talked to his players and encouraged them to stay and give the new staff a chance. Did He????

Dude...trying to keep the existing players is the job of the incoming staff...not the job of the outgoing staff.

Steve · 05-19-2008, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by cyclonenum1

Dude...trying to keep the existing players is the job of the incoming staff...not the job of the outgoing staff.

The above is not a realistic viewpoint.

An 18 or 19 year old kid away from home is going to turn more often for advice to a guy with whom he had a 1 or 2 year relationship with than to a guy who he has known for a week or two as an incoming coach. We have heard than WM did not actively encourage guys to leave. OTOH, I have yet to hear one person - even those close to Rahshon - say that he offered ANY reasons why a player should stay at his current school.

It's water over the dam, but WM does not get a free pass on all of the departures. For all we know, GMac might not have even wanted all of the returning players on his team. What I'm convinced of is that they would have had to stay on under his terms and some chose not to buy in.

BryceC · 05-19-2008, 12:47 PM

IMO, and obviously I'm in the minority here, but WM gets a complete free pass from me. He was just fired. His responsibility is to the kids, not to ISU.

I'm sure he told them that he would help them any way possible with the change. If that included transferring I'm sure he would have helped them there as well. Believe it or not Wayne wasn't out to get ISU during or after his firing, as evidenced by the fact that he included that really nice testimony video during the 100 year halftime event.

cyclonenum1 · 05-19-2008, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Steve

The above is not a realistic viewpoint.

An 18 or 19 year old kid away from home is going to turn more often for advice to a guy with whom he had a 1 or 2 year relationship with than to a guy who he has known for a week or two as an incoming coach. We have heard than WM did not actively encourage guys to leave. OTOH, I have yet to hear one person - even those close to Rahshon - say that he offered ANY reasons why a player should stay at his current school.

It's water over the dam, but WM does not get a free pass on all of the departures. For all we know, GMac might not have even wanted all of the returning players on his team. What I'm convinced of is that they would have had to stay on under his terms and some chose not to buy in.

Realistic?

A guy gets canned after 3 years (all winning seasons) with an NIT Final Four appearance and a 1-1 NCAA Tourney record (the one loss coming to the eventual NCAA Champion) and he is supposed to encourage the players he recruited to stay? Especially, when it is clear from what has been posted on this site by people very close to the team that by the end of January everyone knew the axe was coming that last year. Please!

From what I have read on this site from those most close to the situation, Morgan encouraged them to do what was in each of their best interests. He did not encourage them to transfer. I think this is really the best you could hope for in this sort of situation. After that, it is up to the new coach to re-recruit and get these kids on his wagon. Why are you so willing to give McDermott a "free pass" with respect to this as he entered the HC position at ISU?

Dude, you are living in a fantasy world. Of course, I'm sure you believe everything that has happened in a negative way over the last two years with our BB program is all the fault of Morgan...McDermott deserves none of the blame...correct?? When does the McDermott "free pass" end?