Wesley to Kentucky

Cardinal&Gold11 · 05-19-2008, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by 4VR4CY

Why do people tiptoe around this and not just ask point blank? You are asking if anyone knows if Mac is racist.

So, anyone close to the situation want to answer this question or not?

good question, i would like to know more about this supposed racist thing.

CycloneErik · 05-19-2008, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by keepngoal

a point of reference... cyfan13 has enjoyed and even fed the anti-McD crowd... her methods of being vague and then reassuring us she knows what is going in this situation has her goosebumps exposed. While she has had good info and at times insight... she only lets go of it here if it follows her opinion. And this a mild dislike of the current coaching staff and the Athletic Department.

I only ask you take her thoughts/knowledge with a small grain of salt, knowing her perspective and flair.

-keep

I agree. I was justing saying this here on the couch. She is silent until something negative comes up, and there's an opportunity to go after Mac. I'm OK with different opinions and all, but she does seem to have a strong personal bias, and loves to stir things up.

Nothing personal here. This is just what I see from what I read.

Aclone · 05-19-2008, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by jahfg

Why do you think Morgan was such a good recruiter?

Having met the man (even before he was HC), because he was personable. The color of his skin had nothing to do with it.

isufbcurt · 05-19-2008, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by keepngoal

a point of reference... cyfan13 has enjoyed and even fed the anti-McD crowd... her methods of being vague and then reassuring us she knows what is going in this situation has her goosebumps exposed. While she has had good info and at times insight... she only lets go of it here if it follows her opinion. And this a mild dislike of the current coaching staff and the Athletic Department.

I only ask you take her thoughts/knowledge with a small grain of salt, knowing her perspective and flair.

-keep

I think you hit that one dead on.....Cudos to you.

CycloneErik · 05-19-2008, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Cardinal&Gold11

good question, i would like to know more about this supposed racist thing.

Do we really want to dive into that as an internet forum issue?

ISUonthemove · 05-19-2008, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by MilehighClone

My personal feeling is it's Mac's style of ball; most kid's today want to get up and down the floor.....

Most kids don't want to be coached. They want to be given the freedom to run and gun. Play street ball. Make SportsCenter highlights.

THE FACT IS, Wes would never have had these opportunities without GMac. And I'm guessing when GMac recruited him, he told him the style of basketball he will play. It should be no surprise to Wes that we are not an up tempo team.

jahfg · 05-19-2008, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Aclone

Having met the man (even before he was HC), because he was personable. The color of his skin had nothing to do with it.

You are right. I didn't mean to imply that he was only a good recruiter because he was black. He was a good guy but the fact that he was black didn't hurt in the eyes of a lot of recruits.

Bubba Hubba · 05-19-2008, 08:13 PM

If the goal is to go pro, I'm not convinced that Kentucky is better than being a star at ISU. In fact I think he's better served to do his 2 remaining years here and then go pro sooner, i.e. sooner than waiting one year and then doing 2 years at KU.

And Cy13, you're more than hinting that all the defections, including this one, are about the coaching staff, and certainly you have insight into the players' thinking, and that counts for something. BUT on the other hand, I keep thinking that McD is a guy who's won everywhere he's gone. And IF Wes would have returned, he would have won at ISU next year too. (That's no knock on Rahshon and Jiri, but more about us having returning guards with experience.)

And if it's about happiness, of course he was unhappy playing hurt all year long with everyone questioning his toughness, and losing on top of that. Who wouldn't be unhappy. But that's not about ISU, it's about a broken foot. And it would've happened anywhere.

All of which makes me think this: dude, you're making a bad decision! But alas, we're all prone to thinking the grass is greener, even when it ain't.

CycloneWarrior · 05-19-2008, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by ISUonthemove

Most kids don't want to be coached. They want to be given the freedom to run and gun. Play street ball. Make SportsCenter highlights.

THE FACT IS, Wes would never have had these opportunities without GMac. And I'm guessing when GMac recruited him, he told him the style of basketball he will play. It should be no surprise to Wes that we are not an up tempo team.

i wish we would go back to the up tempo style of play that morgan had, i'm not sayin i want morgan back i just want guys like stinson, blalock, and more run and gun guys

Cardinal&Gold11 · 05-19-2008, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by ISUonthemove

Most kids don't want to be coached. They want to be given the freedom to run and gun. Play street ball. Make SportsCenter highlights.

THE FACT IS, Wes would never have had these opportunities without GMac. And I'm guessing when GMac recruited him, he told him the style of basketball he will play. It should be no surprise to Wes that we are not an up tempo team.

If it's the style of play that made him leave then why did he even come here in the first place. He would have know how Mac likes to play. He came here knowing all well how Mac does things, but i guess that doesn't matter.

jahfg · 05-19-2008, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

Do we really want to dive into that as an internet forum issue?

I thought that was what internet forums are for. Why are people so scared to talk about things like that? By the way, I didn't mean to imply that Mac was a racist by any means. One poster brought that word into the discussion after what I assume to be a misinterpretation of a couple previous posts.

Aclone · 05-19-2008, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by bauerzac

I certainly respect your decision to keep Wes' reasons for leaving within the basketball family.

Indeed, it's certainly not Cyfan13's place to tell us what the problem is. It's WJ's. I suppose that we'll hear as soon as we did from Shane Power and Adam Haluska.

I have to admit I feel that this is the coward's way out--because if there is a problem we (the Cyclone community) can fix, then we should know what it is to be able to fix it.

Tornado man · 05-19-2008, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Aclone

Having met the man (even before he was HC), because he was personable. The color of his skin had nothing to do with it.

There are many people whose paths intersected with Morgan who would disagree with you. I was in the bank one day when he went off on a teller. He would also virtually refuse to communicate with Pollard during that last season.

Cyclonesrule91 · 05-19-2008, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by keepngoal

a point of reference... cyfan13 has enjoyed and even fed the anti-McD crowd... her methods of being vague and then reassuring us she knows what is going in this situation has her goosebumps exposed. While she has had good info and at times insight... she only lets go of it here if it follows her opinion. And this a mild dislike of the current coaching staff and the Athletic Department.

I only ask you take her thoughts/knowledge with a small grain of salt, knowing her perspective and flair.

-keep

I agree 100% Keep. I think someone is too eager to fan the flames when turmoil is surrounding ISU MBB. Rahshon Clark is no doubt at the top of the list of my favorite ISU players, but I think someone is too eager to throw the coaching staff under the buss. Won't tell us anything but makes sure to throw out the bait that she knows something we don't but won't tell us.

Not cool.

Aclone · 05-19-2008, 08:18 PM

By the way, some of you might not have noticed it, but Gillispie hardly pays run-and-gun at Kentucky (or at A&M), either. Not so much different from Mac's offense.