Wesley to Kentucky

Cyfan13 · 05-20-2008, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by tigershoops31

Like I've said before, my opinion is that you hear bits and pieces of things from the heat of the moment and take everything as is. I'm not saying everything is candy and balloons, but I think if everything is as doom and gloom as you make it out we would be hearing it from more than a graduated player's girlfriend on an internet message board. No offense, just my opinion.

That's fine, but you're assuming that it's coming from word of mouth from Rahshon. I am VERY good friends with Wes and a lot of the other guys on the team. I actually hang out with them more than Rahshon does (outside of basketball) because Rahshon does not go out. So, this isn't from heat of the moment discussions, nor am I just a graduated player's girlfriend. I am Wes' friend. You seem to think that I only know Wes because of Rahshon...Not the case. Wes is one of my best friends. I talk to him almost every day. I will actually be with him later on today. So once again, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make assumptions about it.

Secondly, who else would you be hearing it from? The players obviously don't want to say, "Yeah coach, we knew he was leaving. We just didn't tell you." Of course not.

Jeremy · 05-20-2008, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Cyfan13

That's fine, but you're assuming that it's coming from word of mouth from Rahshon. I am VERY good friends with Wes and a lot of the other guys on the team. I actually hang out with them more than Rahshon does (outside of basketball) because Rahshon does not go out. So, this isn't from heat of the moment discussions, nor am I just a graduated player's girlfriend. I am Wes' friend. You seem to think that I only know Wes because of Rahshon...Not the case. Wes is one of my best friends. I talk to him almost every day. I will actually be with him later on today. So once again, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make assumptions about it.

Secondly, who else would you be hearing it from? The players obviously don't want to say, "Yeah coach, we knew he was leaving. We just didn't tell you." Of course not.

I thought you had said you were with Beasley and had broken up with Clark? Did I miss something?

isufbcurt · 05-20-2008, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by cybsball20

The people who think playing D1 sports isn't a job are kidding themselves. First of all, it ain't free. The average D1 full scholarship athlete graduates with over 20k in student loan debt. Sure, they get their expenses plus a small stipend, but that doesn't cover much above the cost of dorms, doesn't cover travel to and from home, etc. A division one athlete can't get a job, both because of their commitment to the sport and NCAA rules. They spend their entire summer and all breaks commited to the sport, not family, spring break, or fun. I for one left the day after school for places like Breinerd, MN, Staunton, NC, and Hyanis, MD to play more ball and travel off busses, living with host families and working to be a better ball player. When I graduated, baseball was all I had on my resume. If they are dedicated to imrpoving, they can't get a quality internship to set them up for after school, heck alot of the guys I know weren't even allowed to go into the majors they wanted because the coaches told them not to. An average day, wake up at 4:30 to make it to weights and conditioning, class, practice, study table, then go for extra work in the weight room or field, next thing you know its 8pm and your dead exhausted, only to do it again. There have been numerous times I have thought what it would have been like to have had it easy like most (not all) normal college students...

I don't know where you got your info and I'm not trying to argue but my scholarship covered Room, Board, and Books. Room was covered at the dorm rate, so if you found some friends to live with in a cheap apartment you pocketed the extra cash. If you decided not to get a meal plan then you received that cash. Plus on top of that you are eligible for the Pell Grant which put an extra $4000 in your pocket a year.

As far as work I know many on the football team worked in the summer and made pretty decent money. And actually NCAA rules do allow a D1 athlete to get a job.

I took out ZERO loans when I was on scholarship and had plenty of cash just from the scholarship, Pell and summer work to live comfortably and take my girlfriend at the time out.

I would GLADLY go back and do it all over again with no questions asked.

cycloneworld · 05-20-2008, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Cyfan13

That's fine, but you're assuming that it's coming from word of mouth from Rahshon. I am VERY good friends with Wes and a lot of the other guys on the team. I actually hang out with them more than Rahshon does (outside of basketball) because Rahshon does not go out. So, this isn't from heat of the moment discussions, nor am I just a graduated player's girlfriend. I am Wes' friend. You seem to think that I only know Wes because of Rahshon...Not the case. Wes is one of my best friends. I talk to him almost every day. I will actually be with him later on today. So once again, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make assumptions about it.

That's cool. But does anyone here think that you would stand up for anyone but Wes in this situation (even if he did something very wrong) since he is your friend?

Cyfan13 · 05-20-2008, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Jeremy

While I understand your comments - I have two reminders....

The kids may not always be happy but welcome to the real world. They are getting a top of the line education for free - that is something most of us less athletic people would give anything for but have very little chance at. Of course there are scholarships but if you're good at athletics, it's so much easier getting through college. It might be a hassle balancing everything but live a life in the day of anybody at my company and it begins to look like fun. I love the dedication and effort these kids give but don't for a second think they aren't getting an advantage that the rest of us will never have had a chance at.

To state that the teammates knew of his decision and supported it 100% is pure ********. I've talked to a lot of those players and many had only heard rumors, mostly from people like me asking about Wesley's future over the past 3-4 weeks. He had told a couple people but that was it. He has NOT returned phone calls of many of the players, some of which are starters and thought they were his best friends. I know that for a fact and I have heard it 1st, 2nd and 3rd hand - I don't have to go and ask Wesley if he called people because of course he's going to lie just like he has to everybody involved.

I respect you and your opinion but I cannot and will not agree with you and your blind loyalty to a couple players that have shown they are below the moral standard many of us have come to expect at Iowa State. When you defend Taylor, Wesley and others that have back-stabbed those that believe in them the most, I lose all respect for you and your "credibility".

Once again, don't you think the players are telling you what you want to hear? They have to tell the coaches, fans, and media what they are supposed to. If you are naive enough to not see that, then I feel sorry for you. I talked to Wes last night as a matter of fact. We are all hanging out tonight...So what you are saying makes me question your credibility.

CycloneWanderer · 05-20-2008, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by mrfreddyx

These are STUDENTS... we need to at least try and start treating them as such. There are already enough penalties regarding transferring.

If Joe Schmo wanted to transfer from Iowa State to another school do you think anyone would care? Do you think he would have to sit out a year of classes or extracurriclar activities?

You can't treat the sport like a business (holding basketball to a standard of success) and then not let the kids make a business decision about their future...

You make no sense with regards to being a student. When transferring a student is not forced to sit out of class - in fact they actually have to still take classes and do relatively well. One could also argue that if a player were to sit out of basketball games, since they are still on scholarship and can still practice, it might actually help them succeed at being a student as it gives them more time to both do classes and accumulate credits which could allow them to graduate when/if they take off to the NBA. He does not have to sit out of practice, he just can't compete.

Also, if his transfer affects our APR and we lost a scholarship then that is one less STUDENT that will not have the opportunity to get an education as well as one less athlete to be able play scholarship division one big twelve basketball.

ISUFan22 · 05-20-2008, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

The bottom line here is to the players Jeremy = Media, while Amber = Friend. Who do you think they are putting a face on for, and who do you think they are being honest with?

Two ways to look at this...as illustrated here...

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

That's cool. But does anyone here think that you would stand up for anyone but Wes in this situation (even if he did something very wrong) since he is your friend?

Cyfan13 · 05-20-2008, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Jeremy

I thought you had said you were with Beasley and had broken up with Clark? Did I miss something?

Me and Beas are just friends, and never once did I say we were together. Rumors get started so easily. Second, me and Rahshon are together...Once again, looks like your info is INCORRECT

Jeremy · 05-20-2008, 10:22 AM

You can talk to them, hang out with them all you want, I could care less. The second you had said you broke up with Clark and went with Beasley, you lost all credibility from me and a lot of people. I am a fan of ISU and will always report what I hear. If you know something different, why don't you say those things instead of implying things like the staff is racist, etc. It's people like you that do far more harm to a school than one player leaving.

ISUFan22 · 05-20-2008, 10:22 AM

This one is headed in a very bad direction. We're putting one another on trial instead of the person that created this situation. For the role I played in that, I apologize.

So many rumors flying around regarding this, it's rather tough to know which way is up - not to mention what is true and what is not. Personally, I still believe Wes told far less people than some would like us to believe.

keepngoal · 05-20-2008, 10:22 AM

nevermind.

-keep

Jeremy · 05-20-2008, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Cyfan13

Me and Beas are just friends, and never once did I say we were together. Rumors get started so easily. Second, me and Rahshon are together...Once again, looks like your info is INCORRECT

Actually it was you that said something along the lines of leaving a dirty player at ISU for a future NBAer at KSU. I guess your credibility got in the way of that?

cybsball20 · 05-20-2008, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

Not coming out of school with tens of thousands of dollars in student loans for one.

Having the opportunity to travel around the country playing in front of hundreds of thousands of people to play basketball each year. All for free.

Having the opportunity to hone your skills to possibly play basketball professionally for money. Potentially millions of dollars.

Those are just a few.

Outside the lines did a show on the way schools capitalize on student athletes, they said the average full scholarship players comes out of college with $20,000 in student loan and credit card debt due to the demands and limitations placed on them

Jeremy · 05-20-2008, 10:24 AM

I am closing this as it's going nowhere. A new thread can start and the focus can go back to the real topic.