Barnes 6th per rivals!!!!

**Tornado man** · 06-26-2008, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Jeremy

One player can certainly help but it's a team sport probably more than any other. Even the almighty one-man-circus-show Beasley couldn't get K-State to the finals. It's a team sport and it takes a team effort to win consistently.

I would say that K-State is happy that Beasley stopped by to play a season. Do you think they would have made the NCAA's (and then easily beat USC, with the revered Tim Floyd and O.J. Mayo) without him?

**Wesley** · 06-26-2008, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by CyValley

Apparently, not from JP's point of view.

A few weeks ago on a radio interview show, JP said that he considers the upcoming season to be Mac's first in Ames (so much of what happened the first two seasons was beyond Mac's control, I took JP to mean).

JP, seemingly, has plenty of patience with Mac's program-building. Guess this doesn't preclude JP from thinking Mac can have a decent season, though.

We all read that. Old news. If you want to be good, you have to be better in the third year. Call it his first if you want, but he continues to be a .500 coach with an easy cream puff non conf schedule, he may never make it over the hump in Ames. Recruiting appears to be occurring earlier for most of the good players. Perhaps JP comment from awhile back was necessary to help the fundraising.

**Wesley** · 06-26-2008, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by SpokaneCY

There are a ton of players that got horrible advice about leaving skool early and were one and done in the NBA.

Bill Walker had to come back to the KSTate situation.

**Wesley** · 06-26-2008, 02:43 PM

If HB went instead to UNVC or USC and became like an OJ Mayo, then I offer that would hurt recruiting future players more than we want to let on. If he chose to come to Ames, Others Will Follow to the Arena of Dreams.

This potential recruitment may or may not mean McD gets a salary raise......more at stake than just a single player. And, if he is one and done, so be it. Better in Ames than in Raleigh, home of the Blue Weasels.

**cycloneryan** · 06-26-2008, 02:45 PM

As his stock rises our chances continue to drop. College recruiting is the dirtiest business in sports. I don't think we have the muscle to keep him in Ames.

**EggMcClone** · 06-26-2008, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Jeremy

One player can certainly help but it's a team sport probably more than any other. Even the almighty one-man-circus-show Beasley couldn't get K-State to the finals. It's a team sport and it takes a team effort to win consistently.

I get what you're saying that Barnes isn't the only savior out there but one elite basketball player will have more of an effect on a team than one elite football player or one elite baseball player.

Yeah Beasley didn't lead K-State to a title but without him do they sniff the NCAA 2nd round or the top 25? Let's let ISU get to that point before we start worrying about leading a team to the finals. How often will ISU have this good of a shot with a top 10 player? Will the our basketball world end if he (likely in my opinion) goes somewhere else? No, but, like it or not this is possibly the most important ISU recruit ever.

**Wesley** · 06-26-2008, 02:54 PM

If he is #6, he can go anywhere. Perhaps even to the Pros.

**Jeremy** · 06-26-2008, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley

If he is #6, he can go anywhere. Perhaps even to the Pros.

Wrong - can't go straight to pro anymore.

**Bader** · 06-26-2008, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Jeremy

Wrong - can't go straight to pro anymore.

They really need to set it up like baseball does it. Straight to the draft, or play 3 years in college before you're eligible

This one and done stuff is not good for the college game IMO

**cybsball20** · 06-26-2008, 03:10 PM

How long untill D-League teams start offering a year at a local JuCo with a contract. So sign with them, get some school in AND get paid...

**Jeremy** · 06-26-2008, 03:12 PM

I personally think it should be 2-years minimum in college. The teams and fans invest so much time and energy bringing in these kids and then they bolt after one year. I just think they should be required to get a 2-year degree or something.

**BryceC** · 06-26-2008, 03:14 PM

When they raised the age minimum for the NBA, they lowered the age minimum on the D-League. You can go right to the D-League out of high school.

**EggMcClone** · 06-26-2008, 03:20 PM

One of Arizona's recruits is seriously considering going to Europe for a year. Truthfully it would probably prepare him for life in the NBA better than a year of college would.

**Bader** · 06-26-2008, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by EggMcClone

One of Arizona's recruits is seriously considering going to Europe for a year. Truthfully it would probably prepare him for life in the NBA better than a year of college would.

This is what Lucca originally intended to do when his punishment was handed down