Charles Boozer

[CyGuy33]

There was no chance that Craig Brackins was going to be drafted in the 1st round last year. Period. End of Discussion.

If he declared he would be in the NBDL this year. Jiri played more consistenly and on a higher level last year and he wasn't drafted. He also had some great pre draft camp workouts.

RC was a better athlete then Craig and he is playing in Isreal.

Mike Taylor is a better all around player then Craig and he was a late second round pick.

[cyismydog]

There was no chance that Craig Brackins was going to be drafted in the 1st round last year. Period. End of Discussion.

If he declared he would be in the NBDL this year. Jiri played more consistenly and on a higher level last year and he wasn't drafted. He also had some great pre draft camp workouts.

RC was a better athlete then Craig and he is playing in Isreal.

Mike Taylor is a better all around player then Craig and he was a late second round pick.

1They were even, and Craig might be more athletic than Rahshon.
2Seriously?

[CyGuy33]

1They were even, and Craig might be more athletic than Rahshon.
2Seriously?

I said all around player and at this point he is. He might be more athletic or have more potential then Craig but he has a pretty good game.

There is no comparison in athletic ability between Clark and Craig. Basketball skills Craig has the advantage.

[cyismydog]

I said all around player and at this point he is. He might be more athletic or have more potential then Craig but he has a pretty good game.

There is no comparison in athletic ability between Clark and Craig. Basketball skills Craig has the advantage.

Let me put it this way...Craig is just as good of an athlete, and probably a better one, than Rahshon. He can jump out of the gym, though he didn't have the chance to display that in games as much as Rahshon did.

[jbhtexas]

All right, so you answered my question. Not being a jerk, stubborn, or asinine, just...misinformed. Apparently badly so.

While a number of teams watched games in which CB played, no one considered drafting him, because he never declared himself eligible, went through workouts, played in games, etc.

In other words, it wasn't a valid question. Now, at least, you have amply demonstrated that you know nothing about how the process works, which serves to prove my point equally as well.

Ok then...so now you'd like us to believe that when considering college players to draft, NBA teams don't consider any players until those players have officially declared for the draft. That's interesting...

You've proven nothing, other than that you can't provide any evidence to back up your claim.

My only conclusion is that you're really going way out of your way to demonstrate that you actually don't understand much of anything, about anything at all.

I'm beginning to understand more and more, particularly about you.

[GlenEllynClone]

Let me put it this way...Craig is just as good of an athlete, and probably a better one, than Rahshon. He can jump out of the gym, though he didn't have the chance to display that in games as much as Rahshon did.

All good points - he does have another big advantage over Rahshon - he is 6'10". He is also 3 years younger than Rahshon. I blieve Craig will play two more years at ISU, then leave at the end of his Junior year. I don't think he can progress enough to be a 1st round pick in 2009.

[Clonegrad07]

There was no chance that Craig Brackins was going to be drafted in the 1st round last year. Period. End of Discussion.

If he declared he would be in the NBDL this year. Jiri played more consistenly and on a higher level last year and he wasn't drafted. He also had some great pre draft camp workouts.

RC was a better athlete then Craig and he is playing in Isreal.

Mike Taylor is a better all around player then Craig and he was a late second round pick.

Yo Cheech.. pass that... If that stuff will make you believe things like that, I want to hit it too.

[CloneIce]

Yo Cheech.. pass that... If that stuff will make you believe things like that, I want to hit it too.

At this point in their careers, Taylor is most definitely a better all around player than Brackins.

He is a better scorer than Brackins and better at defending his position than Brackins, and actually is probably also a better rebounder for his position (guard) than Brackins is for a power forward.

Just wanted to point out the facts, so you can stop accusing people of being crazy for making factually correct statements.

In a couple years I fully expect Brackins to be a better all around player than Taylor.

[TedKumsher]

I believe it has been said here a few times that there will be a scholly open in 09 ... and not for bad reasons.

-keep.

Having trouble coming up with any reason for losing a player that I wouldn't consider "bad". I could say that losing certain players might not be "bad" as long as the reason for it doesn't hurt ISU. I suppose having a great enough player to go pro early might not be considered a "bad" reason, but I wouldn't like losing that good of a player.

It'll be interesting if said mysterious thing comes to pass and is publicly understood.

[CyValley]

. . . Just wanted to point out the facts, so you can stop accusing people of being crazy for making factually correct statements. . . .

A personally powerful peeve of mine is that persons so often mislabel opinion as fact. I just detest this situation; more often than not, it is the reason I engage in trite arguments here with fellow forum members.

Virtually all comments made on these boards, in my opinion, result from personal viewpoints twisted by our own experiences; comments made here are opinion, not real-world fact. But, maybe I'm wrong on a common-usage level. It seems that over time, the average everyday human being has mixed the meaning of "fact" and "opinion," maybe in an effort to imbue one's opinion with authority.

I don't buy it, personally. IMO, far too many of us present our opinions as absolute, world-real facts. Absurd.

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2. a. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.

b. A real occurrence; an event: had (sic?) to prove the facts of the case.

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[IOWASTATE]

You cant teach tall...

[johnsonjj]

A personally powerful peeve of mine is that persons so often mislabel opinion as fact. I just detest this situation; more often than not, it is the reason I engage in trite arguments here with fellow forum members.

Virtually all comments made on these boards, in my opinion, result from personal viewpoints twisted by our own experiences; comments made here are opinion, not real-world fact. But, maybe I'm wrong on a common-usage level. It seems that over time, the average everyday human being has mixed the meaning of "fact" and "opinion," maybe in an effort to imbue one's opinion with authority.

I don't buy it, personally. IMO, far too many of us present our opinions as absolute, world-real facts. Absurd.

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fact

n.1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.

2. a. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.

b. A real occurrence; an event: had (sic?) to prove the facts of the case.

c. Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.

3. A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.

4. Law The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.
. . . .
Usage Note: Fact has a long history of usage in the sense "allegation of fact," as in "This tract was distributed to thousands of American teachers, but the facts and the reasoning are wrong" Albert Shanker.

This practice has led to the introduction of the phrases true facts and real facts, as in The true facts of the case may never be known. These usages may occasion qualms among critics who insist that facts can only be true, but the usages are often useful for emphasis.

The attached is from a post I had in a thread further down titled "Brackins #10 in 2010". I think it has a smattering of facts (i.e. the actual points scored) surrounded by my learned (joking) opinion. In the attached post, I was responding to another post saying Julo had a better freshman year that Craig.

Brackins #10 in 2010
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Originally Posted by Landshark (Brackins #10 in 2010)

Ditto that...how come us Cyclone fans think our players are bonafide going to the NBA?

Realize this, there's only 62 picks in the draft and I saw nothing that makes Brackins an NBA pick. Julius Michalik had a better freshman year.

I think they had comparable freshmen years. Julo scored more points per game (12+ to Craig's 11+), but even though they were both forwards, Julo came with a very European forward game. He hit so many clutch shots, but he was not that effective as a slasher until his junior year when he took it to the hole more off the dribble (his free throw attempts almost doubled that year.) I remember seeing him turn the ball over a lot trying to take it to the hole and walking using the "European move" that was called here. He was frustrated by that. Julo also had more experienced guards in Bayless and Thigpen that took pressure off him, Hoiberg and Meyer.

Craig had a different year than Eulo as we asked Craig to play more in the paint. What makes pro scouts drool is Craigs ability to play the pick and role. He can truly isolate offensively. He can go to the hole with either hand, as well as stop and pop out to 3 land. To excel at the next level, there are a few things he will need to develop and represent what was dissappointing to us as fans: 1) He wasn't as confident or as aggressive offensively taking the rock to the hole playing with his back to the basket as we asked him to do (Eulo wasn't either by the way, and we let him play more face-up ball with Meyer in the middle) as he settled too often for the pull up jumper; 2) He is not a great rebounder or scrapper...if he develops the type of attitude Vroman had, he will be a beast as he jumps better; 3) Related to the first two points, he just wasn't that physical on defense. While he runs the floor well, he isn't the quickest footed in sliding his feet on D so was isolated at times. As he gets more physical, this stat will improve.

He isn't the quote machine Eulo was. I remember reffing games one year with Eulo and guys were asking him about his 40+ point performances in the summer league to which he responded, "I played against midgets!" I also like Billy Tubbs comment on Michalik when he asked "how old is that guy anyway? 35?"

[mplscyclone]

Brackins needs to work on his touch in the post. He missed too manny gimmies this past year.

[CycloneWarrior]

There was no chance that Craig Brackins was going to be drafted in the 1st round last year. Period. End of Discussion.

If he declared he would be in the NBDL this year. Jiri played more consistenly and on a higher level last year and he wasn't drafted. He also had some great pre draft camp workouts.

RC was a better athlete then Craig and he is playing in Isreal.

Mike Taylor is a better all around player then Craig and he was a late second round pick.

the nba draft is mostly based on how much potential a player has, jiri is pretty much at his peak, rashon was too, but craig can be something much more special

[mystateistate]

What happened to this thread being related to Booz?