Kyle Kelm is.....

[MontyBurns]

You're living in a dream world.

Why don't you wait and see what McDermott does at ISU before you call him a slimeball. The man is NOT Tim Floyd.

[ISU4ME]

Btw, does anyone know why Jake has been sitting behind the the Drake bench in the last couple of games?

You didn't hear? Sullivan is going to be the associate head coach there in 2010 and a certain player he works with is going to be signing a letter of intent there next Fall as well.

[Clones85']

No, you were not right.

Did the Cory Johnson situation look bad? No, in fact it actually reflected well on the staff because they were honest with Cory and even helped him find a school. When handled well, it can be a positive. Personally, I am guessing this is why Boozer and Mann are playing as true freshmen, so they preserve their redshirt for the year they have to sit out after transferring.

Snowcraig, that was not my point nor does it have anything to do with what I was talking about. You shouldn't sign 7 guys one year if you plan on kicking them out 2 years later. It was a mistake on McDermotts part. He got nervous after having 2 poor basketball seasons and needed some immediate help.

Cory did not leave because of a scholarship situation. That had nothing to do with it.

If Kelm commits, we have no open schollies for Barnes. We'd make room for him, but that's shady.

Yep. There is a difference between recruiting over someone, and GIVING SOMEBODY YOUR SCHOLARSHIP!!! If peple can't see the difference than they are just being blind with Cyclone love.

Say Kelm commits. We have no scholarship for Barnes unless we pull one from someone else.

Keep in mind, I really would like both of them, but it'd come at the expense of one of our scholarship athletes. And to tell one of your players that you need his scholarship for a better player, doesn't usually go over real well.

Exactly. Imagine a coach coming in, convincing you to go to his school. You work your *** off for 2 years to get better. You are no better than the 8th best player on the team. Coach pulls you in and says we are giving your scholarship to this top 100 basketball player. I am sure most of you would understand

What do you mean it doesn't go over very well? Look at Duke or UNC or KU or UCLA or anywhere...especially the middle-level teams like us. Everyone recruits over their players....it would be absolutely nuts to not try and get all the talent you can get all of the time. If some of the players read the writing on the wall and decide to go play elsewhere, that's just the way it is.

If we ever, and I mean EVER, pass on a top talent just because we don't want to hurt someone's feelings, then we might as well cash in our chips and get out.

You really don't get it. UNC and Duke never fill up their scholarhip amount!! EVER. You said you are a Duke fan, so you should know that. So when people leave, it is not b/c players are being given other players scholarships

Barnes would be a Clone is his handler wanted him here . . the latter has an axe to grind with ISU. Barnes will not be here.

Worst post ever

[ZJohnson]

Oh, well that would be a good reason. Man, that team could use Harrison this year.

[benjay]

Let's get mad about something that hasn't happened involving a player who hasn't committed about scholarships that may or may not be open!

[snowcraig2.0]

Why is this discussion even taking place? Does anyone here really think that we will not have anyone leave the program early in the next two years?
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[cybsball20]

Why is this discussion even taking place? Does anyone here really think that we will not have anyone leave the program early in the next two years?
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But, but, we were told the player turnover thing was solved...

[benjay]

Who told you that? Don't be such a wanker.

[Clones85']

Why is this discussion even taking place? Does anyone here really think that we will not have anyone leave the program early in the next two years?
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Probably will. But it doesn't change the fact that we are giving scholarships to people when we don't currently have them. We are going into houses and making promises, the same promises as the ones we made to other players a year or two ago. It just sits bad in my stomach.

I like Gmac. I hope he does well and coaches her for 20 years. But I will continue to say that signing 7 guys in a class should never ever happen, unless 3 of them are top 25 players who are one and dones. We had 0 top 150 players. That is 7 guys who are going to be around from 4-5 years.

[cybsball20]

That is 7 guys who are going to be around from 4-5 years.

In theory...

[mustangcy]

Aside from the first page, thanks cyismydog, this is the worst most annoying thread ever....really, some guys on here second guessing gmac for bringing in top talent 2 years from now would be funny is it wasn't so misinformed.

Nobody get "pulled into the office to tell them ISU is yanking their scholership"...seriously, this is big time college basketball. As much as it is a sport to us fans to the players and coaches it's pretty much a business. There's nothing shady about recruiting better players and telling the kid that was overrecruited that they may not have much playing time.

Honestly, hanging on to players like CJ who might not end up fitting the system or getting much PT would be much worse and shady.

[isufbcurt]

Every NCAA athlete on scholarship knows that their scholarship is a yearly thing, it ISN'T guaranteed for all 4/5 years. So I see no problem with pulling a current players scholarship to make room for someone who is better.

Someone above said he has no problem with pulling a guys scholarship when he isn't performing but does have a problem pulling a guys scholarship just to give it to a better incoming kid. I don't understand this, I mean if the player was performing he wouldn't have his scholarship pulled but obviously he isn't performing so they are gonna pull it to make room for a better player.

[Cloned4Life]

Honestly, hanging on to players like CJ who might not end up fitting the system or getting much PT would be much worse and shady.

Exactly.

And as the poster above says, scholarships are on a yearly basis. There is no 4-year "contract" of any kind that the player signs.

Seeing the words "Gmac" and "shady" in the same sentence is laughable. He's probably as un-shady as it gets, almost to a fault.

[CyGuy33]

Every NCAA athlete on scholarship knows that their scholarship is a yearly thing, it ISN'T guaranteed for all 4/5 years. So I see no problem with pulling a current players scholarship to make room for someone who is better.

Someone above said he has no problem with pulling a guys scholarship when he isn't performing but does have a problem pulling a guys scholarship just to give it to a better incoming kid. I don't understand this, I mean if the player was performing he wouldn't have his scholarship pulled but obviously he isn't performing so they are gonna pull it to make room for a better player.

Coaches don't go into players homes, meet with their families, coaches etc, and say come to Iowa State, we will guarantee you a scholarship for one year but if you can't cut it past that we will pull that offer off of the table and you are gone. Can you imagine a coach saying that and the recruiting class that would come in on that sales pitch? Don't give me that players know this line, that's not the case. When a player signs a LOI he is told he will have a scholarship for 4 years not, if we sign someone better.

[Clones85']

Aside from the first page, thanks cyismydog, this is the worst most annoying thread ever....really, some guys on here second guessing gmac for bringing in top talent 2 years from now would be funny is it wasn't so misinformed.

Nobody get "pulled into the office to tell them ISU is yanking their scholership"...seriously, this is big time college basketball. As much as it is a sport to us fans to the players and coaches it's pretty much a business. There's nothing shady about recruiting better players and telling the kid that was overrecruited that they may not have much playing time.

Honestly, hanging on to players like CJ who might not end up fitting the system or getting much PT would be much worse and shady.

No sir, you are misinformed. We are not talking about recruiting OVER players, we are talking about giving someobdy else that players scholarship. I don't know how you people can't see the difference. It is the coaches job to bring in better talent every year, but not at the expense of giving away scholarships that are currently accounted for.

If I am not good enough to play a lot of minutes, fine. Than it is MY decision to either stay and get 5 minutes a game, or transfer. I don't think it is right for the coach to pull my scholarship and give it to somebody else

Every NCAA athlete on scholarship knows that their scholarship is a yearly thing, it ISN'T guaranteed for all 4/5 years. So I see no problem with pulling a current players scholarship to make room for someone who is better.

Someone above said he has no problem with pulling a guys scholarship when he isn't performing but does have a problem pulling a guys scholarship just to give it to a better incoming kid. I don't understand this, I mean if the player was performing he wouldn't have his scholarship pulled but obviously he isn't performing so they are gonna pull it to make room for a better player.

Good luck with that one. When you start doing that, good luck with recruiting. You don't think other coaches will use that against ISU.

Scholarships are year to year, YES. But that does not mean that they should be year to year just based on performance. If a kid works his *** off for ISU and just isn't good enough, he should stay on scholarship. It is the COACHES FAULT for not evaluationg talent better