Lickliter gives Tucker the Boot

[Bubbahotep]

Jon must not have much for his show today.

[Palmer]

I personally know several former teammates that played with Sanders at Iowa, and each of them has told me the same version of the story, and each of them says that Bob rarely went out.

so what.

[kingcy]

Bob should have listened to all of those "Buzz driving is drunk driving" commercials.

Is there a difference between someone driving at .08 and .20? Yes. Does the law care? No.

You can easily kill someone either way so I say they are both bad...no matter what the excuse is.

Many of us have drove when we shouldnt have. Sometimes we still do. Is it right for us to make a big deal out of this. Same goes for the pub intox.

[cyclonekj]

Here is what I know of the night Bob got a DUI.

I heard this from several people, his teammates, and from Bob himself.

Bob was at a bar with a teammate. Bob had a few drinks in the first hour they were there. Bob pretty much always stopped at three or four drinks whenever he went out, he rarely ever had more than that. And Bob rarely went out drinking. He was all about being an athlete, and drinking to excess just wasn't something he did.

Right about the first hour of being there, one of his teammates, that had had some previous run ins with trouble, was spouting off, and it was looking like something bad could happen. Bob grabs the guy by the scruff of the neck and pulls him out of there. They get in the car and leave, and a tail light was out in the car Bob was driving. He was pulled over, the officer smelled alcohol, and did a field sobriety test. Bob passed the test, but blew at .08.

Kirk was told about the entire situation and the circumstances, and Bob was punished in house for his decision to get behind the wheel of a car. He should have still called a cab. This happened in the month of May.

My asking if the poster was a parent, is because every parent has different degrees of discipline depending on the ages of their kids, and the circumstances surrounding the infractions, if you will. It's not always just black and white.

Now, this year, Kirk has made it black and white. Given Iowa's laundry list of off field incidents the past nearly two years, he brought the hammer down on stuff that might usually be just a game, or in house punishment.

In my opinion, Kirk has been fair and level handed with stuff like this.

If you want to disagree with that, that's fine.

[MJAnderson]

I think you have a decimal point in the wrong place. .08 is legally driving drunk, and he's well beyond. That's up into alcohol poisoning territory.

I guess it could be considered "getting it done" because everybody has different tolerances. I don't think the whole Blood Alcohol Level testing is a good way to determine how drunk somebody is. I don't know what a better way would be, but I've blown well past that and still been conscious.

[leg4cy]

Now, this year, Kirk has made it black and white. Given Iowa's laundry list of off field incidents the past nearly two years, he brought the hammer down on stuff that might usually be just a game, or in house punishment.

Ferentz has most certainly not applied a black and white approach this year. Look up the discipline meted out to Brandon Myers, Dalton, Riley Reiff, and Dalton. All received public intox. 3 of the 4 received interference with official acts. 1 received urinating in public. Yet, opposite of what Jon Miller claims, the punishment was not consistent. Don't give me the senior over freshman stuff. You already said that Kirk has declined to use that this year as an excuse for disicplining his players differently. What then does that leave for the justification of disciplining players differently despite similar/same offenses???

You guessed it. On-field performance.

[ISU4ME]

Bob was at a bar with a teammate. Bob had a few drinks in the first hour they were there. Bob pretty much always stopped at three or four drinks whenever he went out, he rarely ever had more than that. And Bob rarely went out drinking. He was all about being an athlete, and drinking to excess just wasn't something he did.

Jon - If you were a parent who's son just called from jail and spewed this crap to you, would you believe him? Even if this was the only time he went out, the fact is he still got caught. I could care less if one of my kids told me this story of how they never go out and they were just "unlucky." Fact is you did it now you will pay the price for your actions which in this case could have been a lot worse possibly if he did not get pulled over. Simple fact and yes I am sure many of us have done the same thing.

[JonDMiller]

Jon - If you were a parent who's son just called from jail and spewed this crap to you, would you believe him?

That would totally depend on the level of character and integrity my child had displayed up and until that point.

No parent should be pleased with something like that, just like Kirk was not pleased and Bob was punished. But there are shades of gray in life. But in this thread, its all shades of cardinal and gold, with no quarter. So I'll leave the rest of it for you to hash out.

[Palmer]

That would totally depend on the level of character and integrity my child had displayed up and until that point.

No parent should be pleased with something like that, just like Kirk was not pleased and Bob was punished. But there are shades of gray in life. But in this thread, its all shades of cardinal and gold, with no quarter. So I'll leave the rest of it for you to hash out.

/angels sing/

[Clonefan32]

I can't be too hard on him, I was doing the same things my freshman year. Who can forget sneaking into a bar, having one (or four) shots too many and yaking everywhere. The only difference is I was not a division 1 athlete, and definitely was not on full scholarship. I did, however, win a late-night co-ed basketball championship in intramurals, which is close to being a D-1 athlete.

[TarHeelHawk]

If he doesnt play and Iowa loses, is that their built in excuse?

If he doesn't play and Iowa wins anyway, what will your excuse be? When did this thread get moved?

[Clonefan32]

If he doesn't play and Iowa wins anyway, what will your excuse be? When did this thread get moved?

OK, your Yuengling picture only gets you so far. Go to your own board and talk there about how great the degenerates on your roster are.

What is the story with these jokers coming to CF... Go away.

[Bigguns]

The rules are different for good players (first rule of Ferentz).

That is almost every college coaches 1st rule. The greater the talent the greater the tolerance. Any one who argues differently is fooling themselves.