Wow, We're Playing Against a Really Young / Inexperienced Kansas Team

**flander1649** · 01-19-2009, 01:16 PM

One thing that I noticed this year about KU is that they are not playing the in your face ball pressure defense that they normally play in past years. They are playing more lose of a defense I don't know if it is they don't have the players to do it this year or what. Teams get into their offense a lot easier.

**Clones85'** · 01-19-2009, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by cstrunk

I disagree that youth is not an excuse for this year's team. Just because we might not beat Kansas who is also young, doesn't mean that it doesn't work as an excuse for us. Kansas won the national championship last year and those sophomores and older kids were a part of that. Invaluable. What have we had over the past few years? Youth, player turnover, and 0.500 seasons. That does not instill confidence in our players.

So next year when Colvin and Gilstrap play, are we still young?
What if they start? Two first year players in the program

How bout the year after? Dykstra, Kadima, and possibly Barnes. Are we still young?

Youth IS NOT AN EXCUSE. Talent is. When we start getting better players overall in, we will get better...faster

**Clones85'** · 01-19-2009, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by clones26

We should win as long as Collins and Aldrich are held in check. Collins is waayyy better than Petey but hopefully Brackins can keep Aldrich in check and not visa versa

IMO Collins is the most overrated player I have watched in a long time. The guy is a TO machine

**tamjam** · 01-19-2009, 01:38 PM

Does it really matter? KU has better talent and coaching, sadly, and there is no way McD is going to get the guys to pull this win out.

**Chizit** · 01-19-2009, 01:44 PM

Coach Mcd is gonna outcoach Bill Self. In a staring contest.

**BryceC** · 01-19-2009, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

Will HB sit behind their bench or ours?

If he makes it to the game wouldn't it be his first trip in Hilton this season? I'll go KU.

**jbhtexas** · 01-19-2009, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Go2Guy

It will be interesting to see which team uses the "We're Too Young / Inexperienced" excuse after the loss:

Pete (Sr)......Collins (Jr)
Garrett (So).....Moringstar (So)
Lucca (Fr /So)....Reed (So)
Ham (Fr).......Taylor (Fr)
Brackins (So).....Aldrich (So).

Originally Posted by cybsball20

Kansas then comes with a bench of
Freshman - Morris
Freshman - Morris
Freshman - Relaford
Junior (TR) - Little

We come with a bench of
Senior - Thompson
Senior - Haluska
Freshman - Eikmeier
Junior (TR) - Vanderbeeken

Based soley on the "experience" rationale, I can't think of any reason or any excuse why ISU should not make this a competitive game, with good possibility for victory.

**If** the game somehow turns into a blowout by KU, it will be very hard for me to see how the reason(s) for said blowout is (are) anything other than issues that the coaching staff is responsible for...

**Cyclonepride** · 01-19-2009, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

You just helped me to make my point!

Youth is not an excuse for this years team. Anybody who uses it is using it as a way to make them feel better

I do need to make myself feel better, thank you very much

**trajanJ** · 01-19-2009, 02:32 PM

Have you guys seen KU play away from home? They have played 3 games so far this year on the other teams court and got blown out in two of them. The other one was in Boulder where 60% of the fans were Jayhawks. This team is capable of losing away from home to everybody but CU. I do think they will be quite a bit better by the end of the year, but right now they are not very good.

**Clones85'** · 01-19-2009, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

I do need to make myself feel better, thank you very much

You are welcome!!

**CyinCo** · 01-19-2009, 02:42 PM

Looking at experience only, we are no different than they are. But in all fairness, according to Scout.com, Kansas has had 7 4 star recruits sign in the last two classes and Collins is 5 star and Morningstar is a 4 star from the previous class. That makes NINE four star or better players of their 13 scholarship players. ISU has had 1 in Craig Brackins.

Both teams are young but talent wise, we aren't even on the same page.

**Tornado man** · 01-19-2009, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by trajanJ

Have you guys seen KU play away from home? They have played 3 games so far this year on the other teams court and got blown out in two of them. The other one was in Boulder where 60% of the fans were Jayhawks. This team is capable of losing away from home to everybody but CU. I do think they will be quite a bit better by the end of the year, but right now they are not very good.

Agreed. KU is nothing special this year, as other teams have proven. This is a must-win for ISU.

**cybsball20** · 01-19-2009, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

Agreed. KU is nothing special this year, as other teams have proven. This is a must-win for ISU.

I think it's almost a must win for years to come as well. This is as down as KU will get and if we want to grab any momementum for upcoming years we need to do it now as every team above us is reloading with players as good as or better than the guys we are bringing in...

**Clones85'** · 01-19-2009, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by CyinCo

Looking at experience only, we are no different than they are. But in all fairness, according to Scout.com, Kansas has had 7 4 star recruits sign in the last two classes and Collins is 5 star and Morningstar is a 4 star from the previous class. That makes NINE four star or better players of their 13 scholarship players. ISU has had 1 in Craig Brackins.

Both teams are young but talent wise, we aren't even on the same page.

So our excuse is not youth but rather TALENT? That I will agree with

Also I think Aldrich was a McDonalds All American

**Tornado man** · 01-19-2009, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by CyinCo

Looking at experience only, we are no different than they are. But in all fairness, according to Scout.com, Kansas has had 7 4 star recruits sign in the last two classes and Collins is 5 star and Morningstar is a 4 star from the previous class. That makes NINE four star or better players of their 13 scholarship players. ISU has had 1 in Craig Brackins.

Both teams are young but talent wise, we aren't even on the same page.

All that KU talent apparently didn't bother a decimated Arizona team, which pounded the Jayhawks in Tucson. Outside of Budinger and Horne, the Wildcats don't have much. Oh, and they are currently 2-4 in the Pac 10.
KU is very beatable, unless ISU talks themselves out of it.