It's true that JP's tenure here hasn't been a walk in the park, but if you liken it to a train wreck, then I simply must add opinion.
I don't think now, nor never will think that the departures in recent years, both by coaches and players, can be fairly attributed to JP in any capacity. He gave GC his first opportunity as a head coach and had every reason to expect him to honor at least the initial length of his contract. He also gave Cael his start as a head coach, not knowing if he was indeed, a quality leader or not. In some cases, athletes, and other very successful professionals for that matter, tend to be bad choices to lead because they tend to expect the same dedication and output from everyone as they themselves give, and that's just not always possible. If everyone could give their all every minute of every day, we'd live in a much different world.
Gene Smith had us headed in the right direction, and Bruce Van de Velde demolished almost everything Gene had accomplished. In his short tenure here, Bruce cost us the oldest varsity sport ISU had, and set us back a decade in the basketball program. His short-sightedness cost us dearly in many areas, and JP is the guy who was hired to pick up the pieces and put Humpty Dumpty back together again, and I truly believe that he will.
When Jamie Pollard does leave ISU, the athletic dept. will be in much better shape than when he arrived, you can count on that. As far as coaches leaving prematurely, perhaps some of you gripers and moaners should take a long look in the mirror to see who's responsible for the coaches' beliefs about their chances for success as a Cyclone. If your own fan base cries foul and wants to burn someone at the stake at every juncture, it's pretty easy to see greener grass.
:realmad:How about some support instead of :realmad:
:realmad:all this bickering and:realmad:
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but it has played itself out. gable was better because he accomplished more earlier also. When he was a freshman he couldn't wrestle as he being a freshman was ineligible. So he goes to the MIDLANDS and kicks everyone's butts and in his final match wears down and beats a fellow West High Wahawk who was a senior and won the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP the year before. Cael didn't do anything like that. In fact, Gable won the Midlands all four years he entered.... Did Cael?
Yes Dan lost his last match that is true. If he would of had closer matches and would of been tested it would of never happened. But because he killed everyone he went against he got caught. Owings wrestled the match of his life and didn't do crap after that. Just because a person remains undefeated doesn't make him the GREATEST wrestler ever.... it just makes him undefeated.
Keep your eye on the ball, Vinnie has nothing to do with this debate. Gable was the greatest because he did more earlier. Cael lost three in High school remember. Gable's college career was a year shorter than Caels so IMO he did as much in the middle (almost) and Gable wrestled more later... Numerous world championships, more than Cael. In the Olympics a Romanian purposely head-butted Gable to get him defaulted and Dan had to pin the bastard as they were about to caution him out because of the profuse bleeding. Dan was out of time outs..... He pinned his sorry butt! Remember also while Cael lost only three times in his high-school career in Utah, In Iowa he would of lost more i am sure as Iowa is better than UTAH in HS wrestling.
I have never heard that story before.... ever. Someone would have to get me more information or other documentation as It doesn't sound feasible. How old was Dougles and Gable when this supposely happened? How come it isn't known? Sounds fishy to me.... But I will ask Dan the next time I see him.
I remember when Dan wrestled Lee Kemp in a trial for a seating for a tournament and Lee Kemp won, then got creamed by Chuck Yagla from Waterloo. Greco Roman and freestyle are very different and early on when Dan was learning the Olympic style I am sure that he lost matches in a wrestling room trying out for a style he was unfamilar with. Obviously he learned quickly. Bobby Douglas beating Dan gable 6 times in one day? I challenge that. Someboby ask Bobby and I'll ask Dan. Perhaps a rematch!!!
Admittedly, train wreck was over the top. It was after a really bad MBB loss that I started this thread. I think SDSU. I am allowed my occasional post game meltdown.
However, JP's tenure has been far from successful, I don't see how anyone could argue that point.
No, he finished it later World Titles, Tiblisi Tournaments, Olympic wise (he was NEVER scored on) Cael was. Its not close, gable was the greatest EVER. Cael was a terrific wrestler as a Cyclone and now will help Penn State... I bet gable and Iowa pound his ***** with regularity.