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**cyclonenum1** · 02-16-2009, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by cybsball20

I think Carroll is probably very close to his ceiling already whereas Craig is a ways from it. That would make Craig a MUCH better prospect...

Yep...the NBA is always drafting based upon the potential someone has...how will their size, athleticism, skill set translate to the NBA? That is what they look at...not their college stat line.

**ISUFan22** · 02-16-2009, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Cloned4Life

Huh? How bout winning at the collegiate level? Making a run at the NCAA tournament? A conference title? The opportunity to achieve something special with teammates you've been with for 2 years? Being a college kid for another year? Getting a free education? Rounding out your game? Bulking up?

You make it sound like a no-brainer. I'm glad you're not Craig Brackins.

Can you point to the part of our play that shows we could be there next year? Thanks in advance.

The other items listed are either just fluff or can be done in the NBA. Plenty of guys bulk up and round out their game at that level. Education? Meh...money > education.

If we showed some potential to do the things you listed (that I put in bold), I would feel very different about CB staying. But, since we repeatedly show we're nowhere close to competing for a conference title and won't even be in the NIT this year, I'm not seeing the hope for these things. We need to be in the NCAA tournament next year for the sake of the program and Greg's job - but need is not always followed up with reality. Especially when that need is so, so far away.

**Clones21** · 02-16-2009, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

Can you point to the part of our play that shows we could be there next year? Thanks in advance.

The other items listed are either just fluff or can be done in the NBA. Plenty of guys bulk up and round out their game at that level. Education? Meh...money > education.

If we showed some potential to do the things you listed (that I put in bold), I would feel very different about CB staying. But, since we repeatedly show we're nowhere close to competing for a conference title and won't even be in the NIT this year, I'm not seeing the hope for these things. We need to be in the NCAA tournament next year for the sake of the program and Greg's job - but need is not always followed up with reality. Especially when that need is so, so far away.

True that

**cytyler** · 02-16-2009, 04:18 PM

He better stay or I'll have to start watching NBA games and those aren't as good as college.

**Cloned4Life** · 02-16-2009, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

The other items listed are either just fluff or can be done in the NBA. Plenty of guys bulk up and round out their game at that level. Education? Meh...money > education.

If we showed some potential to do the things you listed (that I put in bold), I would feel very different about CB staying. But, since we repeatedly show we're nowhere close to competing for a conference title and won't even be in the NIT this year, I'm not seeing the hope for these things. We need to be in the NCAA tournament next year for the sake of the program and Greg's job - but need is not always followed up with reality. Especially when that need is so, so far away.

Somehow I figured you'd reply with something like that.

Bottom line is he's still got PLENTY of reason to stay in college. Dam right the things I've listed above are worth sticking around for. I never said we're close to competing for a conference title. But it's a goal Brackins should have. It's something he should be striving to accomplish while he's in college. No "fluff" about it, should be reality. You're not seeing hope? Fine, I couldn't care less. But I hope Craig's got hope. Hope that bigger things really are to come. I wonder how many "big laughs smilies" you would have put after the 98-99 season if someone mentioned an NCAA tourney run for the next year?

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

Can you point to the part of our play that shows we could be there next year? Thanks in advance.

Craig Brackins.

PS.

...man those things are stupid.

**hurdleisu24** · 02-16-2009, 06:52 PM

nbadraft.net had Brackins as the 30th pick to the lakers

**cyclonenum1** · 02-16-2009, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by hurdleisu24

nbadraft.net had Brackins as the 30th pick to the lakers

The reality is that his draft status will not be firmed up until he attends the pre-draft camp where they do a complete physical inventory of him and he plays against other potential draftees.

Sometimes guys "come out of nowhere" at this and become high draft picks...sometimes guys with big reps come in and lose draft status.

Hopefully, McDermott will do what all quality coaches do with a kid of this caliber...encourage them to keep their options open (meaning do not sign with an agent and do attend the pre-draft events). Most coaches will seek out trusted opinions from experts they know to try and help the kid determine where he will be drafted. If it is in the lottery then it is likely a "no brainer" to go pro. If you are not in the lottery but in round 1...well, that is a tough one. If you are in round 2 then you should probably stay another year. Again, a quality coach will try to help a kid make a smart decision for him and his family.

If Brackins goes pro and is a lottery pick...you really cannot hold that against McDermott. Frankly, we should strive to have kids regularly selected that high from our program.

**coachdags** · 02-16-2009, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by cyclonenum1

The reality is that his draft status will not be firmed up until he attends the pre-draft camp where they do a complete physical inventory of him and he plays against other potential draftees.

Sometimes guys "come out of nowhere" at this and become high draft picks...sometimes guys with big reps come in and lose draft status.

Hopefully, McDermott will do what all quality coaches do with a kid of this caliber...encourage them to keep their options open (meaning do not sign with an agent and do attend the pre-draft events). Most coaches will seek out trusted opinions from experts they know to try and help the kid determine where he will be drafted. If it is in the lottery then it is likely a "no brainer" to go pro. If you are not in the lottery but in round 1...well, that is a tough one. If you are in round 2 then you should probably stay another year. Again, a quality coach will try to help a kid make a smart decision for him and his family.

If Brackins goes pro and is a lottery pick...you really cannot hold that against McDermott. Frankly, we should strive to have kids regularly selected that high from our program.

1. You are 100 % correct and we will continue to discuss this unfortunately till the middle of June....

2. Mac is and has recommended exactly what you have stated.

3. For all those that say Greg has no eye for B12 talent, He could have very well recruited 3 NBA caliber players in his 3 years Michael Taylor, Wes Johnson, and Craig Brackins.........I'm just disappointed as I'm sure Mac is that these 3 have not equated into more wins for the program.

**moforisu** · 02-16-2009, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by keepngoal

CB isn't physical enough for the NBA right now. He has many, MANY good parts of his game that are NBA'esque. But he doesn't attack the rim as well as he will need to in the NBA. He has one more year at ISU and maybe two.

Of course there are other things that could push CB to the NBA... but his game won't be one of them.. this year.

Either way CB, I am behind your decision!

-keep

I would agree, the power forwards in the NBA would eat him up right now. He's not ready physically, or with his ball handling skill, and yes you do need to drive to the hoop, HARD.

But I wish him nothing but the best............ after next year!!!

**RivClone23** · 02-17-2009, 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by coachdags

1. You are 100 % correct and we will continue to discuss this unfortunately till the middle of June....

2. Mac is and has recommended exactly what you have stated.

3. For all those that say Greg has no eye for B12 talent, He could have very well recruited 3 NBA caliber players in his 3 years Michael Taylor, Wes Johnson, and Craig Brackins.........I'm just disappointed as I'm sure Mac is that these 3 have not equated into more wins for the program.

Agreed 100%

**erikbj** · 02-17-2009, 06:46 AM

Before the debate continues, has anyone actually read the article? If so, does it say he is going to test the NBA waters or is he planning on staying?

If he says he is going to look at his options, then the debate can start.

**RyCy04** · 02-17-2009, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by erikbj

Before the debate continues, has anyone actually read the article? If so, does it say he is going to test the NBA waters or is he planning on staying?

If he says he is going to look at his options, then the debate can start.

Pretty much says he is just thinking about winning this season. Doesn't really talk about the NBA at all.

**Brackins99** · 02-17-2009, 07:36 AM

A couple things to consider about the 09 draft: 1)its is extremely weak in big men 2) scouts have it ranked considerably lower than 07 & 08 3)late first rounders are guaranteed at least a million. #25 of the 08 draft is making 1 million this year and #30 is making 950,000 + it increases in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th years. Brackins is a projected first rounder on Draftexpress (#20) and nbadraft.net (#30). If he continues his 20/10 average he likely given the lack of bigs in this draft and his considerable potential he goes anywhere from 15-22- that's around guaranteed 1.7 mil- 1.2 in first year salary which is a considerable amount of money. Now, I expect Brackins stock to raise- if he played for a bigger name school I think he would be a projected lotto pick by now. He can either chose the NBA and guaranteed money or school; its going to a tough choice for him.

**erikbj** · 02-17-2009, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by Brackins99

A couple things to consider about the 09 draft: 1)its is extremely weak in big men 2) scouts have it ranked considerably lower than 07 & 08 3)late first rounders are guaranteed at least a million. #25 of the 08 draft is making 1 million this year and #30 is making 950,000 + it increases in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th years. Brackins is a projected first rounder on Draftexpress (#20) and nbadraft.net (#30). If he continues his 20/10 average he likely given the lack of bigs in this draft and his considerable potential he goes anywhere from 15-22- that's around guaranteed 1.7 mil- 1.2 in first year salary which is a considerable amount of money. Now, I expect Brackins stock to raise- if he played for a bigger name school I think he would be a projected lotto pick by now. He can either chose the NBA and guaranteed money or school; its going to a tough choice for him.

if he is picked #31, is guaranteed NOTHING.

**Brackins99** · 02-17-2009, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by erikbj

if he is picked #31, is guaranteed NOTHING.

He is likely a first rounder at minimum at this point IMO, the fact that he is a bigman in a guard heavy draft basically guarentees that. Add the fact that he is a PF that can stroke it out to 3 point land, while still has a decent post game and is a great rebounder and it moves him up to mid first round range.