Outlook for next year (long)

[Seth]

A quick run-down of who is or may be leaving in the Big 12:

• Baylor is losing Jerrells, Dugat, and Rogers to graduation. (a little over half their PPG)
• Colorado isn't losing a damn thing.
• ISU has a 75% or so chance of losing Brackins.
• KU has a 50-50 shot at getting back both Aldrich and Collins.
• KSU is only losing Darren Kent.
• Mizzou is losing Carroll, Lyons, and Lawrence (half of their PPG) (and they have a 50-50ish chance of losing their coach to an SEC school)
• Nebraska is losing Harley, Dagunduro, and Velander to graduation. (almost half of their PPG)
• Oklahoma is losing both Griffins, Austin Johnson, and has a 75ish% chance of losing Willie Warren. (losing about 70% of their PPG)
• OSU is losing Eaton and Harris to graduation, and have about a 10% chance of losing James Anderson to the draft.
• Texas is losing Abrahms and Atchley to graduation; they have a 75% or so chance of losing James to the draft, and a 5% chance of Pittman and/or Johnson go pro.
• A&M is losing leading scorer Carter to graduation, but will likely return everyone else.
• Tech is losing Voskuil to graduation.

A good fact-based rundown, that is, except for the bolded part.

[cyismydog]

A quick run-down of who is or may be leaving in the Big 12:

• Baylor is losing Jerrells, Dugat, and Rogers to graduation. (a little over half their PPG)
• Colorado isn't losing a damn thing.
• ISU has a 75% or so chance of losing Brackins.
• KU has a 50-50 shot at getting back both Aldrich and Collins.
• KSU is only losing Darren Kent.
• Mizzou is losing Carroll, Lyons, and Lawrence (half of their PPG) (and they have a 50-50ish chance of losing their coach to an SEC school)
• Nebraska is losing Harley, Dagunduro, and Velander to graduation. (almost half of their PPG)
• Oklahoma is losing both Griffins, Austin Johnson, and has a 75ish% chance of losing Willie Warren. (losing about 70% of their PPG)
• OSU is losing Eaton and Harris to graduation, and have about a 10% chance of losing James Anderson to the draft.
• Texas is losing Abrahms and Atchley to graduation; they have a 75% or so chance of losing James to the draft, and a 5% chance of Pittman and/or Johnson go pro.
• A&M is losing leading scorer Carter to graduation, but will likely return everyone else.
• Tech is losing Voskuil to graduation.

There's no way Collins and Aldrich come back. No way, especially for Aldrich. There's an outside chance with collins

[mwitt]

Why would Aldrich come back? He'd probably be the second center taken.

The projections int his thread are rosier than my opinion, but I'll admit that there is a slight chance if Brackins comes back.

I'm afraid we're building expectations for Gilstrap way too high.

[j4state]

NCAA tourney for sure?! Can't agree there. If CB is back, the over/under in my eyes is 7 conference wins aka in the NIT conversation.

Gilstrap would have to be phenomenal and another player (probably a guard) would have to break out in an way far beyond expectations for us to land in the NCAAs.

[ajk4st8]

I dont understand how having 3 solid players DG, CB, JVB on one team can be an NCAA team with the addition of 2 new guys.

We need a huge influx in talent to be NCAA caliber. Better next year? Most likely. NCAA is a HUGE HUGE HUGE reach.

Gilstrap and/or Colvin will need to be NBA material right away for that to happen.

[cyismydog]

I dont understand how having 3 solid players DG, CB, JVB on one team can be an NCAA team with the addition of 2 new guys.

We need a huge influx in talent to be NCAA caliber. Better next year? Most likely. NCAA is a HUGE HUGE HUGE reach.

Gilstrap and/or Colvin will need to be NBA material right away for that to happen.

FWIW, the staff thinks Gilstrap will be an NBA draft pick after one year at ISU.

[BryceC]

I probably have the hater label stamped on me but I think with CB returning the NCAA tournament is not out of the question. For that to happen Gilstrap needs to be a legit NBA prospect to go along with Brackins. Ham and VDB will improve so I'm very excited about our frontcourt.

Regardless of the depth we have at the PG and SG positions, there just isn't a lot of talent there in my opinion. I've staunchly defended DG all year and I think he does a lot of things well, but he is easy to defend. Buck is young and as has been said he struggles with defense but he also turns it over at a pretty good clip. Boozer can do a lot of little things but he's never going to produce all that much. Lucca will need to increase his ballhandling ability and athletic ability to be a consistent Big 12 performer. Everybody else hasn't played much and most likely for a reason. Colvin will be a frosh and we all know how that goes.

I am hopeful that we can compete for an NCAA spot with Brackins. If he does decide to enter the draft, we're slightly better than this year but probably still a bottom 4 team.

With ISU losing Clark, Jiri, and WJ, how could anyone of thought ISU was going to be any better this year than they were last year?

Did you see the predicition threads before the season? Just about everybody thought we would be better than last year.

[ZJohnson]

A quick run-down of who is or may be leaving in the Big 12:

• Baylor is losing Jerrells, Dugat, and Rogers to graduation. (a little over half their PPG)
• Colorado isn't losing a damn thing.
• ISU has a 75% or so chance of losing Brackins.
• KU has a 50-50 shot at getting back both Aldrich and Collins.
• KSU is only losing Darren Kent.
• Mizzou is losing Carroll, Lyons, and Lawrence (half of their PPG) (and they have a 50-50ish chance of losing their coach to an SEC school)
• Nebraska is losing Harley, Dagunduro, and Velander to graduation. (almost half of their PPG)
• Oklahoma is losing both Griffins, Austin Johnson, and has a 75ish% chance of losing Willie Warren. (losing about 70% of their PPG)
• OSU is losing Eaton and Harris to graduation, and have about a 10% chance of losing James Anderson to the draft.
• Texas is losing Abrahms and Atchley to graduation; they have a 75% or so chance of losing James to the draft, and a 5% chance of Pittman and/or Johnson go pro.
• A&M is losing leading scorer Carter to graduation, but will likely return everyone else.
• Tech is losing Voskuil to graduation.

Where did you come up with the 75%? Do have concrete evidence backing that statement up or is that your bs opinion?

[Clone5]

IF Brackins comes back I'm thinking around 16-19 wins depending on the schedule. An upset here and there or a nice little run in the Big 12 tourney could get us into the post season. The Big 12 will be VERY down next year especially since Griffin, Aldrich, etc will all probably be gone.
I really hope Christopherson is healthy because I like the way he plays. He'll knock down open 3's but he'll also be strong and smart with the basketball.
A lot of people on here are really excited about Pomlee and I've never seen it with him. He's only 6'7 and I doubt he'll be able to give us much on the offensive end, hopefully he will prove me wrong.
It will be very interesting to see how our rotation shapes up next year. Hopefully everybody stays.

[ajk4st8]

I probably have the hater label stamped on me but I think with CB returning the NCAA tournament is not out of the question. For that to happen Gilstrap needs to be a legit NBA prospect to go along with Brackins. Ham and VDB will improve so I'm very excited about our frontcourt.

Regardless of the depth we have at the PG and SG positions, there just isn't a lot of talent there in my opinion. I've staunchly defended DG all year and I think he does a lot of things well, but he is easy to defend. Buck is young and as has been said he struggles with defense but he also turns it over at a pretty good clip. Boozer can do a lot of little things but he's never going to produce all that much. Lucca will need to increase his ballhandling ability and athletic ability to be a consistent Big 12 performer. Everybody else hasn't played much and most likely for a reason. Colvin will be a frosh and we all know how that goes.

I am hopeful that we can compete for an NCAA spot with Brackins. If he does decide to enter the draft, we're slightly better than this year but probably still a bottom 4 team.

Well said. I dont care if we have 2000 guards, if non of them are able to each defend, drive, shoot, handle we are in trouble. There is no room for the player in college basketball who can't do all of those things at the guard position.

[d4nim4l]

Here is something to throw in a wrench.

What happens if Barnes commits next year and Brackins stays for his senior year to make a deep NCAA run?

No sarcasm pirate. I'm serious!

[Ficklone02]

My outlook for next year (short):

If Craig comes back we might not suck too bad.
If Craig does not come back we will suck that bad.

Ha...pretty funny...and also pretty true.

For those of you pondering who is leaving the B12 after this year, who cares? Kansas lost its whole starting lineup from last and we still can't compete with them. Other teams will still recruit well, its us that needs to get better....we can't pin our hopes of improvement on other teams not being as good.

[Clone5]

Well said. I dont care if we have 2000 guards, if non of them are able to each defend, drive, shoot, handle we are in trouble. There is no room for the player in college basketball who can't do all of those things at the guard position.

Winning begins and ends with guards in college basketball. We really to find one that will consistently drive the ball to the basket and create shots.

[cyismydog]

Here is something to throw in a wrench.

What happens if Barnes commits next year and Brackins stays for his senior year to make a deep NCAA run?

No sarcasm pirate. I'm serious!

I believe a poster on here's username sums it up....final42b

[cyismydog]

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