Worst 3 Yr Span For MBB & FB In ISU History

**cyphan** · 02-22-2009, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by yoteforever

It's fans like you that make me sick. I would bet my last dollar that you have never done anything that amounts to anything in your life. You are one of those people that sit back and become the "master of the obvious". Hindsight is 20/20. All you do is complain, but since you are such an expert, what is your solution?

Jamie Pollard has unquestionable charecter. That is something that is lacking throughout collegiate athletics today. To build a program from the ground up takes time, patience, and alot of money. Patience is something many Cyclone fans don't have, but many do. Money has always been an obstacle at ISU. The media has made sure throughout the years that ISU is second fiddle to the Hawks, and Jamie is working his hardest to change that dynamic as well.

I loved Dan McCarney, but even you have to admit that "arguably" it might have been time to replace him given the record of his last couple teams. So Jamie made the change and brought in a guy that convinced Pollard that he was there to stay. Well, he lied. Short of putting a lie detector on the guy during the interview, a boss has to use his gut instincts during the interview. I personally was convinced Gene was staying, and so did Coach Mack Brown. Regarding hiring Mac, he was close to signing with Kansas State but held them off because he "wanted" to coach the Cyclones. Mac has been dealt some awfully crappy cards, and yet I bet he will work through it all.

Womens volleyball is among the nations elite, and that was Jamies hire. Womens basketball continues to do well, and although Bill wasn't Jamie's hire, keeping him hasn't been easy. Cael was a great hire, and time will prove that out.

I'm not sure Christy Johnson was JP's hire, but he can be given credit for keeping her. Keeping Bill wasn't easy because JP came in and fired DMac, one of Bill's best friends and put pressure on everyone to win and win now. Cael was a no brainer as was giving Fennley a lifetime contract.

Pollard's done some remarkable things at ISU. BB Practice facility, upgrading Jack Trice, plans to bowl in the endzone and to add suites to Hilton. He has a knack for creating additional revenue at a school that needs to be creative to generate funds since we have one of the smallest budgets of all Big XII schools. He's also trying to raise the level of all sports across the board.

However, he needs to be held accountable for the condition of our program. He fired WM and DMac, thus depleting our athletic surplus. While Chizik's hire was impressive at the time and it generated additional revenue, his leaving has set our program further back. I like Coach Rhoads and I think JP got the hire right this time around, but I also think he knew his job was on the line if he didn't get it right!

I still think we need to be patient with GMac and see what he can do, it makes little to no sense on getting rid of him now as our program needs stability. But I'm one that doesn't believe you need 5 or 6 years to turn around a basketball team either. If you can't do it by year 4 and maybe in GMac's case, year 5 since everyone bolted after he left then it's time to look for another coach.

JP's done some good things while he's been at ISU, but I think he blows A LOT of smoke as well. This is Greg's first year as a coach? Why? Because Wes Johnson left? Please! Jamie wanted his own people & coaches in place and that's fine, but he's taken us back and has us on a brink of disaster. In this economy people are not going to continue to pay to watch losing programs.

Quite frankly, I'm tired of listening to all of this look what we've done (facility improvements, increased ticket sales, etc.) and I'm ready to see results. I'm patient and feel I've been patient, but I'd like to see some signs of improvement. Had we won 3 games in the league instead of going winless in football, I would have been much happier, same goes for basketball, winning 6 league games would be an improvement, instead we are getting worse each year under GM and it makes no sense, especially since Greg's first team did fairly well and it was his worst one. At some point, even you have to believe ithe losing and state of our programs are a bit ridiculous! If our coaches can't get it done soon, it's time to bring in an AD that can find coaches who can!

**cyclonez7** · 02-22-2009, 08:16 PM

So what, I'm not one to live in the past.

**cyclonefreak77** · 02-22-2009, 08:19 PM

brilliant post

**isuno1fan** · 02-22-2009, 08:24 PM

I'm sick of the negative nancies as well. Gonna make it all the more sweeter when both programs are at unprecedented heights.

Go Clones!

**keepngoal** · 02-22-2009, 08:25 PM

Monty,

Was it JPs fault Dan only won one conference game in his 11th year as HC?

Was it JPs fault Cael won back to back Big12 Championships and a NC-runner up?

Was it JPs fault there are more NCC memberships than 10 years ago?

IMO, Monty you and cy1225 can sit around and think of the glory years that never happened.

-keep.

**chengyushen** · 02-22-2009, 08:26 PM

The fan like you makes me sick, living in your own fantacy, making excuses and excuses, and dare not to face the reality.

"Jamie Pollard has unquestionable charecter.". Really? Maybe We don;t need his chararcter if it means tailspin of our major sport programs

Originally Posted by yoteforever

It's fans like you that make me sick. I would bet my last dollar that you have never done anything that amounts to anything in your life. You are one of those people that sit back and become the "master of the obvious". Hindsight is 20/20. All you do is complain, but since you are such an expert, what is your solution?

Jamie Pollard has unquestionable charecter. That is something that is lacking throughout collegiate athletics today. To build a program from the ground up takes time, patience, and alot of money. Patience is something many Cyclone fans don't have, but many do. Money has always been an obstacle at ISU. The media has made sure throughout the years that ISU is second fiddle to the Hawks, and Jamie is working his hardest to change that dynamic as well.

I loved Dan McCarney, but even you have to admit that "arguably" it might have been time to replace him given the record of his last couple teams. So Jamie made the change and brought in a guy that convinced Pollard that he was there to stay. Well, he lied. Short of putting a lie detector on the guy during the interview, a boss has to use his gut instincts during the interview. I personally was convinced Gene was staying, and so did Coach Mack Brown. Regarding hiring Mac, he was close to signing with Kansas State but held them off because he "wanted" to coach the Cyclones. Mac has been dealt some awfully crappy cards, and yet I bet he will work through it all.

Womens volleyball is among the nations elite, and that was Jamies hire. Womens basketball continues to do well, and although Bill wasn't Jamie's hire, keeping him hasn't been easy. Cael was a great hire, and time will prove that out.

So Monty, for once on your own, so all of us can see just how smart you really are, lay out a total plan for the athletic department to follow. I am curious as to see just how deep your pond is.

**keepngoal** · 02-22-2009, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by chengyushen

The fan like you makes me sick, living in your own fantacy, making excuses and excuses, and dare not to face the reality.

"Jamie Pollard has unquestionable charecter.". Really? Maybe We don;t need his chararcter if it means tailspin of our major sport programs

riiiiiiiight... sell our souls for wins.

that is sick.

Go to the EUI if you want that.

-keep

**Aclone** · 02-22-2009, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by cyphan

However, he needs to be held accountable for the condition of our program. He fired WM and DMac, thus depleting our athletic surplus.

Jamie wanted his own people & coaches in place and that's fine, but he's taken us back and has us on a brink of disaster. In this economy people are not going to continue to pay to watch losing programs.

Hi-larious. You claim that the only reason that Jamie fired Mac and WM was because he wanted his own people in place. What a load of horse hockey. Those programs already were on the brink if disaster (or beyond), and if anyone is responsible for those two coaches getting fired, it was their own performances.

And I was a supporter of both of them, but Mac made some huge errors, most notably with the offensive line, that he simply was never going to recover from.

What you're claiming is nothing more than revisionist history.

**CycloneJoe** · 02-22-2009, 08:33 PM

basketball is a disaster Brankins leaving will be the final straw
football I think is close
wrestling is good but we are clearly 2nd best in our own state

**Chizit** · 02-22-2009, 08:33 PM

Monty-2
yoteforever-1

**cycloneML** · 02-22-2009, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneJoe

football I think is close

what does this mean? close to the abyss or close to 7-5 and bowl game? Gosh, wouldn't it be cool to have a program that went 7-5 and got to bowl games?

**Rick** · 02-22-2009, 08:36 PM

Blah blah blah, blah blah blah, I could have sworn I had read this thread before. ABOUT A THOUSAND TIMES. I get it, Monty doesnt like JP, 1227 or whatever his number is doent like JP, 4027 or another big number guy doesnt like JP but does like what BDVD did. I would like to be able to read something new on this board but each time I get on I get the same mindless drivel that you three have been spewing for the past two months. How about a suggestion on something new? Not fire JP, you and I know that isnt happening. Not fire GMAC this year, that isnt happening. You got anything new?

**IcSyU** · 02-22-2009, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

Blah blah blah, blah blah blah, I could have sworn I had read this thread before. ABOUT A THOUSAND TIMES. I get it, Monty doesnt like JP, 1227 or whatever his number is doent like JP, 4027 or another big number guy doesnt like JP but does like what BDVD did. I would like to be able to read something new on this board but each time I get on I get the same mindless drivel that you three have been spewing for the past two months. How about a suggestion on something new? Not fire JP, you and I know that isnt happening. Not fire GMAC this year, that isnt happening. You got anything new?

Winner winner chicken dinner! +1

**DJK15** · 02-22-2009, 08:41 PM

For once, I actually agree with Monty. Pollard has been an epic failure at ISU.

**Aclone** · 02-22-2009, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by MontyBurns

Jamie Pollard inherited a program that had gone to 5 bowl games, 2 NCAA tournaments, and 2 NIT's in the past 6 years, and had positive revenue (i.e. no support from the ISU General Fund). It did not need to be "built from the ground up" as you put it.

Interesting spin, Monty. When Pollard fired Mac and WM, Cyclone Nation had been in an uproar and demanding their heads. Had he not done so, ticket sales and donations would have died, and the programs gone further into the hole.

Mac's program had bottomed out. There was no talent left to rebuild, and his recruiting had gone into the toilet.

I personally thought WM deserved another year, but that probably wouldn't have made much difference. And Jeremy has assured us that there were things going on behind the scenes that needed to be cleaned up--so I'll take his word for it.

Give it up, Monty. You're trying to make a fire with imaginary sticks.