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**CycloneErik** · 03-13-2009, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Ficklone02

True, but I think there would be more of a middle ground if, say our w/l's were closer to the middle ground in year 3. The farther away we get from his first year, the more it becomes impossible to ignore the fact that he is just not getting it done.

I think that the situation of the first year is the reason this was "year one," because the scramble just to put a team on the floor at all put us in a hole that's difficult to get it done.

He'll get it done, and the pieces are coming together, but I agree that more wins would make it look much better.

**Ficklone02** · 03-13-2009, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

I think that the situation of the first year is the reason this was "year one," because the scramble just to put a team on the floor at all put us in a hole that's difficult to get it done.

He'll get it done, and the pieces are coming together, but I agree that more wins would make it look much better.

I cringe everytime I hear people say "this is year one", because to me, it is just propoganda that JP is using to try and rationalize that his hire hasn't been as bad as it looks. CycloneErik, you've been brainwashed by JP!!! I think the main reason things have looked so bad for Mac is that he was one of six new coaches that same offseason, and he is one of only two that has yet to see success. Better see some improvements next year if he still wants any fan support for his program.

**Aclone** · 03-13-2009, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Ficklone02

try and rationalize that his hire hasn't been as bad as it looks. CycloneErik, you've been brainwashed by JP!!!.

I agree with Erik, and I didn't have to hear it from JP. It's possible to have an original thought, you know. I knew that the first two seasons were fouled up (and not because of Mcermott) even before Pollard said anything.

**CycloneErik** · 03-13-2009, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Ficklone02

I cringe everytime I hear people say "this is year one", because to me, it is just propoganda that JP is using to try and rationalize that his hire hasn't been as bad as it looks. CycloneErik, you've been brainwashed by JP!!! I think the main reason things have looked so bad for Mac is that he was one of six new coaches that same offseason, and he is one of only two that has yet to see success. Better see some improvements next year if he still wants any fan support for his program.

I'm not smart enough to be brainwashed

**Ficklone02** · 03-13-2009, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

I'm not smart enough to be brainwashed

lol....I was joking, thx for not taking things too seriously.

**Aclone** · 03-13-2009, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by PGreen ISU '92

Saying last year was like “Year 1” is something JP deserves to be criticized for. I don’t think he chose these words in as thoughtful a manner as he should have. The fact of life and business plans is that things do not always go according to plan. Rather than rationalize, his message should stick to what we are doing to get better going forward.

I'm pretty sure that that's what "This is Year One" means. We've had trouble, we start with a clean slate, and don't drag the past around with us. It's the future that matters, not what we can't control.

**ISUFan22** · 03-13-2009, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by isuno1fan

I respectfully disagree and can definitely see a light at the end of the tunnel.

Originally Posted by isuno1fan

I'm glad you can predict the future 2 years down the road. Any stock tips you want to offer up?

You can see the light at the end of the tunnel. That's nice. But I'm talking about something concrete, something we can look at and say this is what we can see is getting better. This is what we can pin hopes on for more winning.

It's just not there. Some possibilities, some maybes and hopes. But not really anything with substance.

It's concerning. And in a league that is really not all that good at basketball right now, we have a nice opportunity here and can't take advantage of it. Simply put, we're one of the worst a very marginal league - just makes it tougher to swallow.

**peachy** · 03-13-2009, 01:51 PM

It's hard to read this thread and not have an opinion, so I guess I will chip in. First off, Erik and ICSY, where do you work? Are you a manager of any employees? If so, let me know, because I really want to come work for you. Apparently where you work, there are no expectations, and mediocrity is rewarded. You jump down poster's throats because they are not happy with the product we have been subjected to the last three years. When we lose, we blame the coach, but you tell us repeatedly it is not the coach's fault. Where you work, is your boss somewhat responsible for the actions of the people he/she manages? If you work at a factory, and your entire shift jacks off all day and does nothing, and does not produce, who does the company come after? Not sure about your world, but in the real world, the boss gets hammered, and if it keeps up, fired. Greg McDermott is paid (very well, I might add) to win basketball games and run a good program. In the NBA, chances are very good he would have been history a long time ago. You might not like it, not think its fair, but it is the reality. Winning puts people in the seats, losing drives them away. As a fan, do I really expect to pay $20 to watch us lose at home against SDSU?

Get ready to bash, but I am not happy with the product going into year 4. Our conference record the last 3 years is 14-36, a whopping 28% win percentage. We have not won a conference road game going on 3 years now. We have had extremely high player turnover every year with our players. I know, I know, I should lower my expectations. It's not reasonable to expect to have a winning record in men's bball, especially playing about half your games against teams that have 10% of the athletic budget we do, and 20,000 less students. It's wrong of me to think that we should beat SDSU at home in their first year of D-1 basketball. It's not rational for fans to be upset with no post season tournaments for us since our coach has been here. Again, have you ever thought your expectations are to low? Do you celebrate when you successfully change the channel without using your remote? Do you have a party when you can change a light bulb at home? If so, I am happy you are proud of your accomplishments. Personally, I strive for more. I want to set goals, work hard, and push myself. I enjoy it when my sports teams do the same, and overacheive. That includes winning games they shouldn't, winning on the road, battling adversity. Many teams do it each year. Look at KU, losing their whole team from the national championship squad, and still winning the conference. You tell me one time in 3 years this team has overachieved, winning a game they should not have, name the game.

Here is the part you don't like, but if you can't name a game this team overachieved, I don't know who you blame, but I blame the coaching staff. They are responsible for the recruiting of the players, the conditioning of the players, the offensive and defensive schemes of the players, and preparing the players for each opponent. They are payed an outrageous amount of money (Did you know McD has a higher annual salary than the President of the U.S.? Who has more responsibility there?) to win basketball games. So go on, bash me and everyone else on here for not being happy about "just winning games!". I guess we come from a different cloth where my expectations are just a bit higher than yours. I attribute it to our employers. Where I work, if I don't produce, and reach certain numbers, my company will let me go, no questions asked. Where you work obviously, there are no expectations, and life is just one big happy song of Kumbaya. Where do I send my application?

**CycloneErik** · 03-13-2009, 01:55 PM

I'm not burning my eyes to read this monster paragraph in detail, but here's my summary response:

1) Expectations have to match reality. I match my expectations to the people I am training, and expect them to show improvement and reach some high, high performance standards. Most folks haven't been real thrilled with the high standards that I set.

2) Never said I'm not disappointed, just that I understand where we're at. Feel free to read my posts for what they say, and you'll see this.

That's all the jumping I'm doing. That post wasn't really worth the time I spent responding this far.

Originally Posted by peachy

It's hard to read this thread and not have an opinion, so I guess I will chip in. First off, Erik and ICSY, where do you work? Are you a manager of any employees? If so, let me know, because I really want to come work for you. Apparently where you work, there are no expectations, and mediocrity is rewarded. You jump down poster's throats because they are not happy with the product we have been subjected to the last three years. When we lose, we blame the coach, but you tell us repeatedly it is not the coach's fault. Where you work, is your boss somewhat responsible for the actions of the people he/she manages? If you work at a factory, and your entire shift jacks off all day and does nothing, and does not produce, who does the company come after? Not sure about your world, but in the real world, the boss gets hammered, and if it keeps up, fired. Greg McDermott is paid (very well, I might add) to win basketball games and run a good program. In the NBA, chances are very good he would have been history a long time ago. You might not like it, not think its fair, but it is the reality. Winning puts people in the seats, losing drives them away. As a fan, do I really expect to pay $20 to watch us lose at home against SDSU?

Get ready to bash, but I am not happy with the product going into year 4. Our conference record the last 3 years is 14-36, a whopping 28% win percentage. We have not won a conference road game going on 3 years now. We have had extremely high player turnover every year with our players. I know, I know, I should lower my expectations. It's not reasonable to expect to have a winning record in men's bball, especially playing about half your games against teams that have 10% of the athletic budget we do, and 20,000 less students. It's wrong of me to think that we should beat SDSU at home in their first year of D-1 basketball. It's not rational for fans to be upset with no post season tournaments for us since our coach has been here. Again, have you ever thought your expectations are to low? Do you celebrate when you successfully change the channel without using your remote? Do you have a party when you can change a light bulb at home? If so, I am happy you are proud of your accomplishments. Personally, I strive for more. I want to set goals, work hard, and push myself. I enjoy it when my sports teams do the same, and overacheive. That includes winning games they shouldn't, winning on the road, battling adversity. Many teams do it each year. Look at KU, losing their whole team from the national championship squad, and still winning the conference. You tell me one time in 3 years this team has overachieved, winning a game they should not have, name the game.

Here is the part you don't like, but if you can't name a game this team overachieved, I don't know who you blame, but I blame the coaching staff. They are responsible for the recruiting of the players, the conditioning of the players, the offensive and defensive schemes of the players, and preparing the players for each opponent. They are payed an outrageous amount of money (Did you know McD has a higher annual salary than the President of the U.S.? Who has more responsibility there?) to win basketball games. So go on, bash me and everyone else on here for not being happy about "just winning games!". I guess we come from a different cloth where my expectations are just a bit higher than yours. I attribute it to our employers. Where I work, if I don't produce, and reach certain numbers, my company will let me go, no questions asked. Where you work obviously, there are no expectations, and life is just one big happy song of Kumbaya. Where do I send my application?

**isufbcurt** · 03-13-2009, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Ficklone02

I cringe everytime I hear people say "this is year one", because to me, it is just propoganda that JP is using to try and rationalize that his hire hasn't been as bad as it looks. CycloneErik, you've been brainwashed by JP!!! I think the main reason things have looked so bad for Mac is that he was one of six new coaches that same offseason, and he is one of only two that has yet to see success. Better see some improvements next year if he still wants any fan support for his program.

Fick you know my how I feel about JP so you will know I am not brainwashed by him. When you have lost the teams leading scorer after each of your first 2 seasons how do you expect to see drastic improvements? Mac will get it done he just needs to get the guys he wants in and not just guys to field a team like he had to do.

**ajk4st8** · 03-13-2009, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Aclone

You consider Colvin, Brackins and Gilstrap "project" players?

Gotta point out to you that ISU has never been a school, even at the best years of Johnny, Tim Floyd or Eustachy, filled top to bottom with "immediate impact" players. We were lucky to have an occasional freshman (Barry Stevens, The Mayor, Marcus Fizer) who could start right off the bat.

I was talking about after next year. Brackins and Gilstrap will be gone. It is not about having a huge list of super stars. Its about having some nice players and a group of guys taht are at least D1 material. Greg has recruited some amazing players to ISU. Unfortunnately he has also brought in a list of guys that have no business playing Big 12/NCAA tournament type basketball.

You are a complete idiot if you think you heed a team filled top to bottom with immediate impact players. There is a long list of immeidiate impact JUCOs that have lead our most successful teams.

**cycloneworld** · 03-13-2009, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by ajk4st8

I guess it's frustrating that other schools can do it the right way as well, but are actually getting it done.

Like?

**ajk4st8** · 03-13-2009, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

Like?

Look at the records around the country. We are not close to most of the rest of them.

**cyismydog** · 03-13-2009, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by ajk4st8

I was talking about after next year. Brackins and Gilstrap will be gone. It is not about having a huge list of super stars. Its about having some nice players and a group of guys taht are at least D1 material. Greg has recruited some amazing players to ISU. Unfortunnately he has also brought in a list of guys that have no business playing Big 12/NCAA tournament type basketball.

You are a complete idiot if you think you heed a team filled top to bottom with immediate impact players. There is a long list of immeidiate impact JUCOs that have lead our most successful teams.

Cough, Chim Kadima, JD, Dendy, Pomlee, hopefully Ejim and Barnes, Colvin, possibly Gilstrap. cough
Doesn't seem like a huge drop-off to me.