Update from scout

**DJK15** · 03-31-2009, 10:21 AM

Picking between Iowa and ISU, what a lucky guy!

**johnsonjj** · 03-31-2009, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by mplscyclone

Yeah, but it's 3 years and it's not going at all. I don't think people are complaining about WJ leaving as much as they are about having players transfer who shouldn't have been getting offered scholarships at all. This really is inexcuseable if we can just "get" better talent as these guys leave.

You can also take Tubby Smith at Minnesota. Minnesota had it's share of big NCAA violations, and a bad coach that ran the program into the ground. 3years ago, ISU was AHEAD of Minnesota and as you described our situation wasn't in good shape.

So what happened when Tubby got there? Well in year 1 they went to the NIT, and in year 2 they went to the dance.

Now people say "well he's been known to bring in good recruits" but it's kind of obvious. That's what coaches at this level are expected to do.

When you look at Tubby's salary, his base was $600,000 two years, ago and $630,000 this past year. Obviously he has bonuses and things like that that put him more in the $2 million range, but still.

When you are coaching at this level, there is no more "Well he's McDermott and he's Tubby/Barnes/etc, so it's OK"

If that's OK, then we shouldn't be paying our coaches millions of dollars. If you pay something that's comparable to others at this level, then you are expected to perform at that level.

I am so tired of people making excuses. You cannot find a program that is considered good that had their coach NOT make any kind of postseason by year 3. When you factor in how much support ISU fans show to their team, and how they buy all of these tickets when the team stinks, we all deserve better.

This is BCS-division one basketball. It takes two years to build a postseason team even under bad conditions. You simply do not have 3-4 years to figure it out. You're supposed to have it figured out when offered the job.

For what we're paying, we aren't getting a lot out of it. If we were paying McDermott mid-major type of money then I'd give all of these excuses. If he was at UNI, no one would complain, but this is the Big 12 and I'm tired of being patient with this program.

Big difference for Tubby is that most of the recruits he got were home grown talent in the Minnesota. He still had to land them, and that he did, but it isn't like we lost lots of recruiting battles with MN on non MN kids other than Iverson.

**Bigguns** · 03-31-2009, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by gocubs2118

I am McDermott's biggest supporter but look what Floyd did for us compared to what Gmac has so far.

In his first year Floyd inherited 3 guys who averaged 20 ppg the year before and they all stayed.

**johnsonjj** · 03-31-2009, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by mplscyclone

Your argument makes it sound even worse. Instead of 5 JUCOS, it's 3 JUCOS and 2 walk-ons.

You also said he filled 2 because he was desperate. What are you going to call 3 and possibly 4?

Originally Posted by Bigguns

In his first year Floyd inherited 3 guys who averaged 20 ppg the year before and they all stayed.

Johnny Orr, speaking under obvious influence of the sauce, at a Cyclone club event stated, "You would have retired too if they would have offered you what they did me!"

**Bigguns** · 03-31-2009, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by kg-cyclone

Should have leveled it like Crean did at Indiana...and completely start over...which means don't sign anybody (spring of 06 if I remember right). Have one terrible year, then offer playing time as a recruiting tool. Things snowballed...From an on the court view.

Mac kicked Taylor off the team. WJ probably doesn't transfer if Taylor is on the team. If WJ doesn't transfer, Brackins doesn't get near the number of shots he did, which means he isn't even on the NBA radar....

So it is all Taylors fault

**kg-cyclone** · 03-31-2009, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Bigguns

So it is all Taylors fault

I never said that...I said it happened. Please don't put words in my mouth.

**Bigguns** · 03-31-2009, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by kg-cyclone

I never said that...I said it happened. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Sorry I was kidding I should have put a

up or something

**kg-cyclone** · 03-31-2009, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Bigguns

Sorry I was kidding I should have put a

up or something

No problem...I just respect what Taylor has been able to do...He really came from a rough place. Part of why Mac gave him so many chances was because Mac thought he would end up in jail or dead.

**cybsball20** · 03-31-2009, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by kg-cyclone

Mac gave him so many chances was because Mac thought he would end up in jail or dead.

I heard Mac say the same thing and wondered what else must have been going on because you don't generally see an escalation from letting off fire extinguishers to violent crime...

**Wesley** · 03-31-2009, 10:41 AM

Right now, we need people who can score under pressure. We can always teach them defense.

**kg-cyclone** · 03-31-2009, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by cybsball20

I heard Mac say the same thing and wondered what else must have been going on because you don't generally see an escalation from letting off fire extinguishers to violent crime...

Can't remember everything...Class, Stealing, Alcohol, Fire Extinguisher...it was a nice list