Martha Tirrell - Harrison Barnes

**isucyfan** · 07-09-2009, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by mplscyclone

How so? I still root for the team, follow them closely, and am buying tickets through the bad times....

A bandwagon fan is those who rooted for Drake 2 years ago: people who never went to the games, never bought any merchandise, finally deciding to go because it was the cool thing to do.

Maybe the better term would be fairweather fan. You said that when things get better, your attitude will too.

**mplscyclone** · 07-09-2009, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by isucyfan

Maybe the better term would be fairweather fan. You said that when things get better, your attitude will too.

Yeah I'm a fair weather fan. I'm a NCC member, I blog about the Cyclones, and I spend a majority of my downtime on this site. You got me

**mplscyclone** · 07-09-2009, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by isucyfan

Maybe the better term would be fairweather fan. You said that when things get better, your attitude will too.

I'm a pretty hardcore ISU fan. If you want to call me a fairweather McDermott fan, then I'm OK with that. Because when he's long gone (either leaving on his own or getting let go), I'm still a Cyclone while he'll be something else...

**isucyfan** · 07-09-2009, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by mplscyclone

Yeah I'm a fair weather fan. I'm a NCC member, I blog about the Cyclones, and I spend a majority of my downtime on this site. You got me

Don't be such a drama llama. I said it sounded like you implied that when you said that when things got better, so would your attitude.

**coachdags** · 07-09-2009, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY

I think there is more than this. Coaches/players come and go. They put hard work in, and are financially compensated for it. Fans are similar to owners of or stock holders in college athletics. This is more than entertainment, especially for someone who attended ISU. The only thing coaches, players, and staff are entitled to are for the owners to support them, and when occasion calls, voice their displeasure in an appropriate manner (ie not booing). I think criticism on a message board is OK.

I've been a Denver Bronco fan since 1967, I've (Dad) had season seats since the old Bears Stadium (Mile High) 1968, Dad died in 1976, and I have had them ever since.

I guess as a ticket holder (stock holder) I wish Pat Bowlen would have checked with me before firing Mike Shanahan.....

It's Entertainment....

**swarthmoreCY** · 07-09-2009, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by isucyfan

Maybe the better term would be fairweather fan. You said that when things get better, your attitude will too.

IMO fairweather has a connotation of only being "in" when things are good. A better term would be any of the following: unsatisfied, unhappy, concerned, pessimistic ....

**isucyfan** · 07-09-2009, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY

IMO fairweather has a connotation of only being "in" when things are good. A better term would be any of the following: unsatisfied, unhappy, concerned, pessimistic ....

Fair enough. I gave him the chance to clarify, and also just said that his statement sounded close to it to me.

I see a fairweather fan as someone who is behind the team when they're good, not behind them when they're bad.

**swarthmoreCY** · 07-09-2009, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by coachdags

I've been a Denver Bronco fan since 1967, I've (Dad) had season seats since the old Bears Stadium (Mile High) 1968, Dad died in 1976, and I have had them ever since.

I guess as a ticket holder (stock holder) I wish Pat Bowlen would have checked with me before firing Mike Shanahan.....

College and pro are different to me- as you stated the Broncos are more like a sole proprietorship.

**mplscyclone** · 07-09-2009, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by coachdags

I've been a Denver Bronco fan since 1967, I've (Dad) had season seats since the old Bears Stadium (Mile High) 1968, Dad died in 1976, and I have had them ever since.

I guess as a ticket holder (stock holder) I wish Pat Bowlen would have checked with me before firing Mike Shanahan.....

Pro sports are different though. In college athletics it's all about fundraising. If enough of the fanbase is unmotivated to give more money, a change gets made (see Dan McCarney).

For pro sports, it's different. Owners are billionaires that can invest their own capital into the product if times get hard. Companies don't drop sponsorships or luxury boxes because of a coaching change... Between that, the brand name, and NFL tv pay outs, the Broncos are going to be alright.

For ISU, if a lot of the donations were to drop off, they'd be in serious trouble.

**coachdags** · 07-09-2009, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by mplscyclone

Pro sports are different though. In college athletics it's all about fundraising. If enough of the fanbase is unmotivated to give more money, a change gets made (see Dan McCarney).

For pro sports, it's different. Owners are billionaires that can invest their own capital into the product if times get hard. Companies don't drop sponsorships or luxury boxes because of a coaching change... Between that, the brand name, and NFL tv pay outs, the Broncos are going to be alright.

For ISU, if a lot of the donations were to drop off, they'd be in serious trouble.

You mean like, if you would give more money we could of hire a proven winner like your friend "Tubby"Smith......

**mplscyclone** · 07-09-2009, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by isucyfan

Fair enough. I gave him the chance to clarify, and also just said that his statement sounded close to it to me.

I see a fairweather fan as someone who is behind the team when they're good, not behind them when they're bad.

I would agree with that. I'd add that I can be a fan of the team and not a fan of the coach (at least not yet) though...

McDermott conflicts me. I want him to do well. I really do. I'm not going to pretend the last 3 years didn't happen though because it's been rough.

**mplscyclone** · 07-09-2009, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by coachdags

You mean like, if you would give more money we could of hire a proven winner like your friend "Tubby"Smith......

No amount I have would be able to get Tubby.

**coachdags** · 07-09-2009, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by mplscyclone

I'm not going to pretend the last 3 years didn't happen though because it's been rough.

But Greg's had alot of fun tho.....

**mplscyclone** · 07-09-2009, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by coachdags

But Greg's had alot of fun tho.....

What I am saying or at least hoping, is that Greg would be just as hard (if not harder) on himself than I or anyone else on this board... I doubt if I talked to him and he'd just be 100% honest, let it all out, not go into PR-mode, he'd disagree a ton; he'd probably word it and spin it a little better. He doesn't seem like the guy to make up excuse after excuse after excuse... It's the other people that do this for him

I honestly think I'm a fair guy, and I know Greg is too. I'll give him credit when he does well, and point out when he doesn't do well. Some will do the former no matter what, and others will do the latter no matter what. I will always say what I think, popular (obviously I am very unpopular) or not...

**Aclone** · 07-10-2009, 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by BigBake

I tried in vain to find the original article when he talked about recruiting.

The quote that they are taking out of context was from a radio interview. Sorry, I din't have time to find the thread myself--or read the rest of the thread at the moment.