Wesley Staten article

[cyismydog]

IMO, that doesn't necessarily mean jack. I care more about how the HS team was, than someone's stats. At the HS level, a top tier D1 guy can flat out dominate and carry a team.

That's why I don't understand why people are all amped about Jeremy Tyler. He was on a crap HS team, losing tons of games with him on it, and IMO he's probably not as good as people are thinking he is. He'll go to Europe (if someone even wants to sign him) and he'll fail.

It's still pretty impressive, but the main reason I said it was to refute cyclonesnum1's claim that you Staten wasn't great at the high school level.

[cyclonenum1]

It's still pretty impressive, but the main reason I said it was to refute cyclonesnum1's claim that you Staten wasn't great at the high school level.

Can you please tell me where I made this "claim"? I don't believe I ever made such a claim.

My concern is with the recruiting of middle school kids in general...which I believe we did with this kid. My concern is also with the talent pool we are recruiting from. I know that Sioux City is bigger than Rock Valley, IA and Fremont, NE but it is certainly not a large metropolitan area and it is not a basketball "hotbed".

As I have mentioned many times over, I do not follow recruiting. I really only know a little about the area that I live in because my son has played with and against those kids. How did this kid's HS team to last year? Did they play in the state championship game?

[cyismydog]

Can you please tell me where I made this "claim"? I don't believe I ever made such a claim.

My concern is with the recruiting of middle school kids in general...which I believe we did with this kid. My concern is also with the talent pool we are recruiting from. I know that Sioux City is bigger than Rock Valley, IA and Fremont, NE but it is certainly not a large metropolitan area and it is not a basketball "hotbed".

As I have mentioned many times over, I do not follow recruiting. I really only know a little about the area that I live in because my son has played with and against those kids. How did this kid's HS team to last year? Did they play in the state championship game?

If you read the article, you'd know.

[Clones85']

IMO, that doesn't necessarily mean jack. I care more about how the HS team was, than someone's stats. At the HS level, a top tier D1 guy can flat out dominate and carry a team.

That's why I don't understand why people are all amped about Jeremy Tyler. He was on a crap HS team, losing tons of games with him on it, and IMO he's probably not as good as people are thinking he is. He'll go to Europe (if someone even wants to sign him) and he'll fail.

Maybe as a senior but not as a freshmen. Horner was a top 100 recruit and Mason City sucked when he was a freshmen. The older he got, the better they got

Also with Jeremy Tyler. It's harder to dominate high school games if you are the only good player and you are a post player. Teams can triple him and if nobody else is any good it doesn't matter. People are big on Tyler b/c of AAU ball

[cyclonenum1]

If you read the article, you'd know.

I'm just like our representatives in Congress...I vote without reading what I am voting on.

Like I said, I really don't follow recruiting (middle school or HS). Most of the posts I have made regarding recruiting have been more general in nature about the age at which recruiting starts now and about where we are doing our recruiting.

A lot of people on this site thought (and probably still think) I was bashing Eikmeier during his recruiting. However, the reality is that I was expressing skepticism about us targeting a recruiting "phenom" from the environment he was coming out of. I think my concerns were ultimately proven to be well-founded. As I said at the time, and I will repeat now, it was a dis-service to both him and to our program to sign him.

[ISUCLONES15]

Now a days, I don't think you can accurately judge a recruit by their high school performances. You really have to follow how the do on the AAU circuit. That is where they are playing with kids of equal talent. If they can hold their own in AAU then they are probably a safer choice then a small town kid who is dropping 35 a night in his high school games.

[cyclonenum1]

Now a days, I don't think you can accurately judge a recruit by their high school performances. You really have to follow how the do on the AAU circuit. That is where they are playing with kids of equal talent. If they can hold their own in AAU then they are probably a safer choice then a small town kid who is dropping 35 a night in his high school games.

A couple of things.

First, AAU ball tends to be very offensive focused and the defense not particularly stellar. Kids are trying to impress college coaches with their offensive game much more than on the defensive end.

Second, I was told that Eikmeier was a stellar AAU player in addition to having eye-popping stats from HS.

[mplscyclone]

Maybe as a senior but not as a freshmen. Horner was a top 100 recruit and Mason City sucked when he was a freshmen. The older he got, the better they got

Also with Jeremy Tyler. It's harder to dominate high school games if you are the only good player and you are a post player. Teams can triple him and if nobody else is any good it doesn't matter. People are big on Tyler b/c of AAU ball

Yeah but AAU at times is like playing an exhibition game. No one plays defense. I guarentee in Europe they will.

[DrewCo]

Another note: When Wes plays up with teh 17-U's with Ellis, he more than holds his own...at one point, I was told that at a tournament Ellis, Staten, and Paige were the there best players in the 17-U division.

Paige hardly plays for the 17-Us. He sits on the bench with Gessell 90 percent of the games.

[DrewCo]

A couple of things.

First, AAU ball tends to be very offensive focused and the defense not particularly stellar. Kids are trying to impress college coaches with their offensive game much more than on the defensive end.

Second, I was told that Eikmeier was a stellar AAU player in addition to having eye-popping stats from HS.

Not these teams.

[Cydkar]

I'm just like our representatives in Congress...I vote without reading what I am voting on.

Like I said, I really don't follow recruiting (middle school or HS). Most of the posts I have made regarding recruiting have been more general in nature about the age at which recruiting starts now and about where we are doing our recruiting.

A lot of people on this site thought (and probably still think) I was bashing Eikmeier during his recruiting. However, the reality is that I was expressing skepticism about us targeting a recruiting "phenom" from the environment he was coming out of. I think my concerns were ultimately proven to be well-founded. As I said at the time, and I will repeat now, it was a dis-service to both him and to our program to sign him.

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

Most (not all) people didn't have a problem with you questioning the recruiting of Wes E. The problem was the repeated...I said repeated...I said repeated...I said repeated...posts whenever he came up on here. Sometimes the message (which seems valid) gets lost in the delivery.

[cyismydog]

Paige hardly plays for the 17-Us. He sits on the bench with Gessell 90 percent of the games.

He started for them at the Manhattan Classic, so I'm suprised he doesn't start for them more.

[Clones85']

Yeah but AAU at times is like playing an exhibition game. No one plays defense. I guarentee in Europe they will.

Not really. If it is a jamboree where the kids are playing together for the first time, I would agree. But teams like that All Iowa Attack practice and play defense. As do most other AAU teams

[LoyalSonForever]

I will say that this article is a step up from your previous one. It looks like you followed some of the advice given through the feedback in your previous thread.

I can't image being at the pinnacle of the human race and looking down wondering when others might reach your level.

[mplscyclone]

I can't image being at the pinnacle of the human race and looking down wondering when others might reach your level.

I was giving the guy a compliment. When he wrote his first article he asked for feedback and he applied some of that to his 2nd one...