Haley...

[kg-cyclone]

Knownot - i hear what your saying i'm not bashin him, i actually think he has turned the corner and in a big way. I completely agree and disagree with you regarding recruiting though....Coachable is important, so is heart, work ethic, basketball iq, athleticism, coachable only means he will fit into a system. Some of those other traits help offset inferior talent, because we are competing against the big boys in KU, UT, OK, even Baylor, Okie St, Missouri all are recruiting better, more athletic players and were scrambling to keep up with Coachable players. We competed with everyone in the nation for Brackins services and he will soon be showing his skills at the next level, that means a lot to potential recruits. It shows a high ranking guy came into this program and got much better!!!!

Trust me, i have a lot of trust in our staffs evaluations. But, i cannot believe we don't step outside the DEVELOPMENT box on our big guys, we have at all the other positions. Go out and try to get a front line player with top tier talent. If you do not try, you will not succeed. Maybe one of these guys favorite player right now in college basketball is Craig Brackins....he may just want to come and pattern his game at the same place that Craig developed.

I really hope the kid turns out to be the next Kelvin Cato, get a center like that and i will be happy. But another Vroman wouldnt be bad either. Getting a center that can compete in the big 12 is a big task, you got power, you got face up, you got post moves, you have all facets. The best players to handle all of them is simply an athlete at the 5 spot. The points, rebounds etc etc, not very often does a Griffin come along, get an athlete down low and it helps all facets of the team.

Not what I meant by coachable...Eyes are wide open anxious to learn.

Still looking for bigs...just highly doubt we find and take one based on how the scholarship situation is playing out.

[clone52]

Knownot - i hear what your saying i'm not bashin him, i actually think he has turned the corner and in a big way. I completely agree and disagree with you regarding recruiting though....Coachable is important, so is heart, work ethic, basketball iq, athleticism, coachable only means he will fit into a system. Some of those other traits help offset inferior talent, because we are competing against the big boys in KU, UT, OK, even Baylor, Okie St, Missouri all are recruiting better, more athletic players and were scrambling to keep up with Coachable players. We competed with everyone in the nation for Brackins services and he will soon be showing his skills at the next level, that means a lot to potential recruits. It shows a high ranking guy came into this program and got much better!!!!

Trust me, i have a lot of trust in our staffs evaluations. But, i cannot believe we don't step outside the DEVELOPMENT box on our big guys, we have at all the other positions. Go out and try to get a front line player with top tier talent. If you do not try, you will not succeed. Maybe one of these guys favorite player right now in college basketball is Craig Brackins....he may just want to come and pattern his game at the same place that Craig developed.

I really hope the kid turns out to be the next Kelvin Cato, get a center like that and i will be happy. But another Vroman wouldnt be bad either. Getting a center that can compete in the big 12 is a big task, you got power, you got face up, you got post moves, you have all facets. The best players to handle all of them is simply an athlete at the 5 spot. The points, rebounds etc etc, not very often does a Griffin come along, get an athlete down low and it helps all facets of the team.

Again, there are very few sure thing centers out there. I'm sure our coaches aren't ignoring them.

[cycloneman003]

Justin Hamilton was considered a major project... GMac coached him up and Ham was pretty solid as a freshman. We need another legit center

[kg-cyclone]

Justin Hamilton was considered a major project... GMac coached him up and Ham was pretty solid as a freshman. We need another legit center

Guarantee no center...Looking for a 4.

[cgwarrior33]

Coachable doesn't mean fitting a system. Teachable/Coachable are basically the same. If you are either one, you are willing to learn and take constructive criticism (coachable). I haven't read much of anything on this kid, but I will say from experience....If a guy is raw athletically or skillwise...and is still projected to be a big time player (any level)...being coachable is the number 1 quality you want.

As far as centers go, there are very few 'legit' centers out there. Not talentwise or skillwise, but in terms of a 'true' center. The game is fast changing to combo forwards...i.e. a 3 able to guard/play the 4 and a 4 who can go either up to the 5 or down to the 3....The European game has had a mammoth impact on the game. Every big guy wants to play like Dirk...inside-out, put the ball on the floor. It is only the nature of the game with the "bigs" being more athletically gifted now and are able to do things they couldn't 15 years ago.

There are not many true centers in the conference...Aldrich, the UT kid maybe...can't really think of any more honestly. When you think center, you think, low block, back to the basket...etc. There are not many kids out there like that. It is how the game has changed. What you see these days are a bunch of 4's who happen to play the 5 in college. Blake Griffin played the 5 mostly at OU and is a 3/4 in the NBA.

Having a true center in today's game limits soo much on what you can do offensively and defensively. A lot of coaches like to spread the floor these days and use the dribble drive or dribble weave to create kick out opportunities. Personally, I think you can get a lot more done on both ends of the floor with the combo forwards and 4's who can play the 5. Just my philosophy for the D-I level.

[hook40]

August, 2009: Haley has an impressive frame with broad shoulders and long arms, but he is a major project. He plays with passion, runs hard, and he has decent hands, but he struggles converting in the paint area. He is very mechanical when posting up and doesn't possess the savvy or athleticism to score in traffic most of the time. However, he does have a nice touch out to the elbow and could be productive in a pick and roll and a pick and pop set. Haley does have some intangibles (length and heart) that coaches look for in a big, but he'll need a redshirt year to get stronger and to hone his offensive game.

This sounds almost exactly like Tony Rampton.

[kg-cyclone]

Coachable doesn't mean fitting a system. Teachable/Coachable are basically the same. If you are either one, you are willing to learn and take constructive criticism (coachable). I haven't read much of anything on this kid, but I will say from experience....If a guy is raw athletically or skillwise...and is still projected to be a big time player (any level)...being coachable is the number 1 quality you want.

As far as centers go, there are very few 'legit' centers out there. Not talentwise or skillwise, but in terms of a 'true' center. The game is fast changing to combo forwards...i.e. a 3 able to guard/play the 4 and a 4 who can go either up to the 5 or down to the 3....The European game has had a mammoth impact on the game. Every big guy wants to play like Dirk...inside-out, put the ball on the floor. It is only the nature of the game with the "bigs" being more athletically gifted now and are able to do things they couldn't 15 years ago.

There are not many true centers in the conference...Aldrich, the UT kid maybe...can't really think of any more honestly. When you think center, you think, low block, back to the basket...etc. There are not many kids out there like that. It is how the game has changed. What you see these days are a bunch of 4's who happen to play the 5 in college. Blake Griffin played the 5 mostly at OU and is a 3/4 in the NBA.

Having a true center in today's game limits soo much on what you can do offensively and defensively. A lot of coaches like to spread the floor these days and use the dribble drive or dribble weave to create kick out opportunities. Personally, I think you can get a lot more done on both ends of the floor with the combo forwards and 4's who can play the 5. Just my philosophy for the D-I level.

You should coach

I've heard ISU's staff say that several different times...

[isuno1fan]

This sounds almost exactly like Tony Rampton.

[hook40]

Coachable doesn't mean fitting a system. Teachable/Coachable are basically the same. If you are either one, you are willing to learn and take constructive criticism (coachable). I haven't read much of anything on this kid, but I will say from experience....If a guy is raw athletically or skillwise...and is still projected to be a big time player (any level)...being coachable is the number 1 quality you want.

As far as centers go, there are very few 'legit' centers out there. Not talentwise or skillwise, but in terms of a 'true' center. The game is fast changing to combo forwards...i.e. a 3 able to guard/play the 4 and a 4 who can go either up to the 5 or down to the 3....The European game has had a mammoth impact on the game. Every big guy wants to play like Dirk...inside-out, put the ball on the floor. It is only the nature of the game with the "bigs" being more athletically gifted now and are able to do things they couldn't 15 years ago.

There are not many true centers in the conference...Aldrich, the UT kid maybe...can't really think of any more honestly. When you think center, you think, low block, back to the basket...etc. There are not many kids out there like that. It is how the game has changed. What you see these days are a bunch of 4's who happen to play the 5 in college. Blake Griffin played the 5 mostly at OU and is a 3/4 in the NBA.

Having a true center in today's game limits soo much on what you can do offensively and defensively. A lot of coaches like to spread the floor these days and use the dribble drive or dribble weave to create kick out opportunities. Personally, I think you can get a lot more done on both ends of the floor with the combo forwards and 4's who can play the 5. Just my philosophy for the D-I level.

Hey now, I had defensive assignments from Tyron Lue and Chauncey Billups all the way to all the bigs like Scot Pollard, Brian Skinner, etc. and I was technically a center. That was just a shade under 15 years ago.

[Steve]

This sounds almost exactly like Tony Rampton.

Does this mean that we will see a resurgence of keg stands?

[kg-cyclone]

Hey now, I had defensive assignments from Tyron Lue and Chauncey Billups all the way to all the bigs like Scot Pollard, Brian Skinner, etc. and I was technically a center. That was just a shade under 15 years ago.

Who cares???...you can't shoot free throws

[hook40]

Does this mean that we will see a resurgence of keg stands?

Keg stands and maybe an occasional gold fish coming up missing.

[hook40]

Who cares???...you can't shoot free throws

It's on. You and me in a free throw shooting contest in the new practice facility on October 17th.

[kg-cyclone]

It's on. You and me in a free throw shooting contest in the new practice facility on October 17th.

Might be doable...To be fair, you should know...I can shoot the rock.

[Knownothing]

Why does Ramton still have to take crap. It has been 15 years. Poor guy came here and raised the whole grade point of the team. Cato was a major project also. Lay off Rampton.