Redshirting?

**bel79** · 11-10-2009, 06:23 PM

I really don't want to interrupt the HB thing going on but getting back to this year. People have talked about Oliver, Dorr, Bubu, ect. redshirting this year - My question is what is the time line on the younger kids to redshirt and who decides this? Any info on this?

**isufan** · 11-10-2009, 06:25 PM

Well, we all know that we have plenty of experienced guard this year and Oliver needs to hit the weight room. I don't think redshirting Oliver was a very difficult decision.

**chadm** · 11-10-2009, 06:44 PM

Need to redshirt before the first game (not counting exhibition) The coaches/player decides on redshirt.

**CyCy** · 11-10-2009, 07:17 PM

I think it's fairly unusual to redshirt a walk-on. Pretty difficult to tell a guy that he has to pay for 5 years of school to play 4.

**Dormeezy** · 11-10-2009, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by CyCy

I think it's fairly unusual to redshirt a walk-on. Pretty difficult to tell a guy that he has to pay for 5 years of school to play 4.

Agreed. I remember Brock Jacobson was redshirted as a preferred walk-on of Wayne Morgan's in 05-06.. and he ended up leaving the team before his eligibility was up because he graduated.

**IcSyU** · 11-10-2009, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Dormeezy

Agreed. I remember Brock Jacobson was redshirted as a preferred walk-on of Wayne Morgan's in 05-06.. and he ended up leaving the team before his eligibility was up because he graduated.

In fairness, he left because his body wouldn't physically hold up to him playing basketball...

**chadm** · 11-10-2009, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by CyCy

I think it's fairly unusual to redshirt a walk-on. Pretty difficult to tell a guy that he has to pay for 5 years of school to play 4.

Go to the ISU website and listen to Coach. He said the walkons will redshirt unless we need Dorr for depth

**Aclone** · 11-10-2009, 07:26 PM

I suspect thqat the idea is that if either walkon proves good enough to actually play a substantial amount a fifth year, they might be on scholarship.

**saf** · 11-10-2009, 07:35 PM

I was all for redshirting Oliver, but now I don't think they should. Might as well let him play and develop as quickly as possible. Really liked what I saw of him--long arms, athletic, disruptive on defense (3 steals), has a decent shot (looked good in warmups and rattled a 3 in during the game), and very athletic (dunk). If we have him w/ experience next year that + Ejim will help replace Gilstrap (if no HB). Also, will be good to have him this year to potentially rest Gilstrap.

**Clone5** · 11-10-2009, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by saf

I was all for redshirting Oliver, but now I don't think they should. Might as well let him play and develop as quickly as possible. Really liked what I saw of him--long arms, athletic, disruptive on defense (3 steals), has a decent shot (looked good in warmups and rattled a 3 in during the game), and very athletic (dunk). If we have him w/ experience next year that + Ejim will help replace Gilstrap (if no HB). Also, will be good to have him this year to potentially rest Gilstrap.

Completely disagree. What he could potentially give us in a 5th year is much greater than the spot minutes he would give us this year.

**bel79** · 11-10-2009, 07:46 PM

I have been told different things about redshirting: needs to be before first game, needs to be before first conference game, ect. - I didn't understand redshirting a walk-on unless maybe down the road there is a possibility of playing time.... He is paying his own way and wants to be there regardless.

**CYdTracked** · 11-10-2009, 07:49 PM

No offense but what Oliver did was in garbage time against a terrible team's subs. I like what I saw too but you have to consider who he was playing against. He probably could have started for that team...

A redshirt is the best option for him right now

**CycloneErik** · 11-10-2009, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Clone5

Completely disagree. What he could potentially give us in a 5th year is much greater than the spot minutes he would give us this year.

I'm with you 100% on this. He wouldn't see much time this year, and we have enough lineup options that those spot minutes aren't necessary.

What he could do after developing in a redshirt year, though, would be incredible to watch! I really like this guy. When he gets going, he'll be a real fan favorite

**theshadow** · 11-10-2009, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by bel79

I have been told different things about redshirting: needs to be before first game, needs to be before first conference game, ect.

There is no rule that says you have to "declare" a redshirt at any point before or during the season. As long as the player in question doesn't appear in a non-exhibition game, the redshirt is preserved.

If he goes the entire season and doesn't play, then he and the coaches have the option to decide whether to consider it as a redshirt year, or as a normal year.

**saf** · 11-10-2009, 08:00 PM

Yeah, I know the quality of the team he was playing against. I'm bipolar on the whole subject (despite what I wrote), but it seems the trend (for me) is that if I'm feeling good about the future I think we should play him (as we'll keep getting better and bring in more and more solid recruits); if I'm negative about the future I think we should redshirt him, as we need him for as long as possible and to fill that spot in the future. Like I said, bipolar. :)