Did Tim Floyd steer Kirk Hinrich to Kansas?

**sands4cy** · 11-24-2009, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by isuno1fan

KH to ISU means no Tinsley at ISU. I think all of us would agree Tinsley > Kirk Hinrich.

No sour grapes here as far as I'm concerned.

KH would of played 4years for us and Tinsley only played 2.....this would of skiped Sullivan playing PG that 1 year and could of made us a power house team year in and year out.... but who knows bc it never happened...

**HILLCYD** · 11-24-2009, 03:00 PM

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Hinrich pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

**PGreen ISU '92** · 11-24-2009, 03:00 PM

I will say one thing that is B.S. about Roy's story ... "I was in Las Vegas recruiting ..." He's a big time gambler. Every time he came here to see HB he would go to Prarie Meadows either before or after seeing him; and Tim Floyd practically lives in Vegas now. No way Roy was there recruiting. It wouldn't surprise me if he bets on North Carolina basketball games. The guy is a total phony!

**GeronimusClone** · 11-24-2009, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by mcblogerson

Not that I don't hate Roy, but I prefer to blame the Bulls. Besides Floyd's fame is more tied to breaking up casino fights and paying Mayo, and having his teeth kicked in, in the NBA, than his success at ISU.

I still think going to the Bulls was dumbest thing ever. He knew he was coming in to the all time worst situation in NBA history for a rookie coach. Couldn't have thought it would end well.

**Tornado man** · 11-24-2009, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by sands4cy

KH would of played 4years for us and Tinsley only played 2.....this would of skiped Sullivan playing PG that 1 year and could of made us a power house team year in and year out.... but who knows bc it never happened...

+1. Couldn't agree more.

**San Francisco Cy** · 11-24-2009, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by sands4cy

KH would of played 4years for us and Tinsley only played 2.....this would of skiped Sullivan playing PG that 1 year and could of made us a power house team year in and year out.... but who knows bc it never happened...

I will go on the record as saying I don't think we would have won any Big 12 Titles if we got Hinrich instead of Tinsley. Hinrich really came into his own his junior and senior seasons. We were missing so many more parts in those two years. Tinsley (and Horton, to a lesser extent) was the one constant of both titles. We would not have won without him, and I seriously doubt we would have competed for titles in Hinrich's final two years either. I think we got the good end of that deal...

**GoCubsGo** · 11-24-2009, 03:10 PM

I don't see the big deal - Floyd knew that Hinrich was likely to decommit and told that to Roy. It's not like Roy wouldn't have found out about him anyway. And it's not like Floyd was in Hinrich's ear telling him to go to KU.

**Clones85'** · 11-24-2009, 03:11 PM

Not only would we have maybe kept Hinrich but we would have gotten Collison to maybe. Sorry but can you imagine Hinrich, Collison, and Fizer?

**sands4cy** · 11-24-2009, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by AnkenyCy24

I will go on the record as saying I don't think we would have won any Big 12 Titles if we got Hinrich instead of Tinsley. Hinrich really came into his own his junior and senior seasons. We were missing so many more parts in those two years. Tinsley (and Horton, to a lesser extent) was the one constant of both titles. We would not have won without him, and I seriously doubt we would have competed for titles in Hinrich's final two years either. I think we got the good end of that deal...

idk we wouldnt of been as good the first 2 years but we would of been alot better the last 2 years he would of been here... and we might not of been a title team his 1st year but we would of been in the top half of the big12 and we also would avoid the 1year wonder wich would of given us a better chance to get better players down the line...but like i said it didnt happen so we dont really know how it would of gone....we might of had great teams for many years...might of just had ok teams for many years..

**GeronimusClone** · 11-24-2009, 03:18 PM

Regardless, consider ourselves lucky we missed out on one giant bag of d.

**San Francisco Cy** · 11-24-2009, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by sands4cy

idk we wouldnt of been as good the first 2 years but we would of been alot better the last 2 years he would of been here... and we might not of been a title team his 1st year but we would of been in the top half of the big12 and we also would avoid the 1year wonder wich would of given us a better chance to get better players down the line...but like i said it didnt happen so we dont really know how it would of gone....we might of had great teams for many years...might of just had ok teams for many years..

If anything, we would have been consistently average to slightly above average all four years. We had so many more missing parts than just a solid guard those two years. We were really abysmal in 01-02, and it had as much to do with having inexperienced post play as to not having a legit Big 12 PG. His senior year could have been decent, with the addition of Vroman, and a more experienced Homan.

In the end, I think that his last two seasons, 01-02 and 02-03 would have been better, but the championship seasons would have been slightly worse. We would have probably ended up with close to the same number of wins. But, I will take two Big 12 titles, followed by a terrible and then average season over 4 average to above average seasons. But, that's just my two cents...

**Tornado man** · 11-24-2009, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

Not only would we have maybe kept Hinrich but we would have gotten Collison to maybe. Sorry but can you imagine Hinrich, Collison, and Fizer?

I guess I had always assumed that Kansas had been recruiting Hinrich right along with ISU, and that they were in his top three or four at the time he orally committed to ISU and Floyd.

**Melvin** · 11-24-2009, 03:23 PM

I'm sure Roy was already on Heinrichs, I doubt that Roy needed Floyd to point him in that Direction. I would bet that Roy was already on Heinricks before this conversation.

This is just Good Ole Roy, trying to punch ISU in the face, again.

**Palmer** · 11-24-2009, 03:23 PM

Who cares.

Larry's naughty behavior made everything moot.

**sands4cy** · 11-24-2009, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by AnkenyCy24

If anything, we would have been consistently average to slightly above average all four years. We had so many more missing parts than just a solid guard those two years. We were really abysmal in 01-02, and it had as much to do with having inexperienced post play as to not having a legit Big 12 PG. His senior year could have been decent, with the addition of Vroman, and a more experienced Homan.

In the end, I think that his last two seasons, 01-02 and 02-03 would have been better, but the championship seasons would have been slightly worse. We would have probably ended up with close to the same number of wins. But, I will take two Big 12 titles, followed by a terrible and then average season over 4 average to above average seasons. But, that's just my two cents...

all true but it might of made fizer come back for another year bc with out that big run in the NCAA he wouldnt of looked as good to scouts.... i think....could b way off on this tho...