Wild coaching theory on Miller and Deace

[Frak]

UNI has a better program than we do currently. Why the heck would they want Mac back.

Continuity, familiarity, popularity.

[Final42b]

So under this logic,will the Butler coach go to a better school and lick go back to butler?

[CyPride]

Maybe Jon and Steve would be willing to take a 70% pay cut but I doubt that McDermott would.

Mickey D may have no choice. There is probably a good reason his son went to UNI. That conspiracy theory? who knows.

[joefrog]

How is this year's basketball team already "losers"?

Shouldn't you wait until the end of the year before you make that judgment?

Last conference road win? 2007.

Last win over a ranked opponent? Honestly, I can't even remember.

How are we supposed to care more than the players on the court or the coach?

This team has given many of us no reason to believe for years. At some point people are going to tune out. At least football tailgating is always a blast in Ames. With basketball, the weather usually makes the drive suck. And games require a race from Des Moines to make tipoff on weeknights.

Then to see ISU keep it somewhat close, and then be outcoached with halftime adjustments again and again, well, sorry. I hate watching reruns.

[CyPride]

Last conference road win? 2007.

Last win over a ranked opponent? Honestly, I can't even remember.

How are we supposed to care more than the players on the court or the coach?

This team has given many of us no reason to believe for years. At some point people are going to tune out. At least football tailgating is always a blast in Ames. With basketball, the weather usually makes the drive suck. And games require a race from Des Moines to make tipoff on weeknights.

Then to see ISU keep it somewhat close, and then be outcoached with halftime adjustments again and again, well, sorry. I hate watching reruns.

Never, under current regime, I believe.

[bawbie]

Last conference road win? 2007.

Last win over a ranked opponent? Honestly, I can't even remember.

How are we supposed to care more than the players on the court or the coach?

This team has given many of us no reason to believe for years. At some point people are going to tune out. At least football tailgating is always a blast in Ames. With basketball, the weather usually makes the drive suck. And games require a race from Des Moines to make tipoff on weeknights.

Then to see ISU keep it somewhat close, and then be outcoached with halftime adjustments again and again, well, sorry. I hate watching reruns.

Then don't watch. You have clearly given up on the team.

Personally I would never be presumptuous or arrogant enough to think I cared more about the team than the players or coach. That's a completely asinine statement.

[kingcy]

Is Ben going to Iowa?

[ISUFan22]

Personally I would never be presumptuous or arrogant enough to think I cared more about the team than the players or coach. That's a completely asinine statement.

I do agree with this statement 100%.

But IMO, some of your others are a bit misguided. I'm guessing you too are frustrated with the team...but taking out that frustration on fans that are showing their frustrations about ISU MBB. This is not a fan problem and I see no reason to rip on fans that are unhappy with the team/program and want improvement - in whatever manner that happens.

It's over-the-top to call fans quitters, tell them they've given up on the team or demand they shouldn't watch when they're simply voicing frustrations. Points that are pretty well spot-on regarding the team/program.

We're all frustrated at some level and we all want things to get better - wins and then Hilton Magic to return. Pretty much everyone here is a Cyclone. I do get that a few are going overboard with their critical posts and are playing one-string banjos, regardless of what the team does. But this is a very, very small minority - and I see no reason that every ISU MBB thread should turn into a "your a bad fan" fight because of these few people.

It's a tough time, we've come to expect more and IMO, that's a good thing. I've said many times, I'd be very concerned about the future if fans were just ok with losing and under performing. And I'm already starting to see it, a few less fans being active discussing the games/team because they're losing interest. We need passionate fans, regardless of the outcome. A fan that does not care about the program is generally not going to come here and rip on the program.

The expectations of our MBB program are higher - much higher than football at this point, as it should be based on our history. You'd think we had just won a BCS game with the reactions over our football season and we only went .500 and then beat a poor Minnesota team. A great improvement from recent years - but in itself no great accomplishment.

MBB can't do that and get the same level of support...and I fully welcome that. I'll be very fearful for our program when fans become ok with under performing or mediocrity from our MBB team.

[BigBake]

Continuity, familiarity, popularity.

None of that would over ride his record at ISU. They would not want him back. If anything that fanbase is probably wondering if they were able to retain the real reason for their success.

[CYEATHAWK]

I do agree with this statement 100%.

But IMO, some of your others are a bit misguided. I'm guessing you too are frustrated with the team...but taking out that frustration on fans that are showing their frustrations about ISU MBB. This is not a fan problem and I see no reason to rip on fans that are unhappy with the team/program and want improvement - in whatever manner that happens.

It's over-the-top to call fans quitters, tell them they've given up on the team or demand they shouldn't watch when they're simply voicing frustrations. Points that are pretty well spot-on regarding the team/program.

We're all frustrated at some level and we all want things to get better - wins and then Hilton Magic to return. Pretty much everyone here is a Cyclone. I do get that a few are going overboard with their critical posts and are playing one-string banjos, regardless of what the team does. But this is a very, very small minority - and I see no reason that every ISU MBB thread should turn into a "your a bad fan" fight because of these few people.

It's a tough time, we've come to expect more and IMO, that's a good thing. I've said many times, I'd be very concerned about the future if fans were just ok with losing and under performing. And I'm already starting to see it, a few less fans being active discussing the games/team because they're losing interest. We need passionate fans, regardless of the outcome. A fan that does not care about the program is generally not going to come here and rip on the program.

The expectations of our MBB program are higher - much higher than football at this point, as it should be based on our history. You'd think we had just won a BCS game with the reactions over our football season and we only went .500 and then beat a poor Minnesota team. A great improvement from recent years - but in itself no great accomplishment.

MBB can't do that and get the same level of support...and I fully welcome that. I'll be very fearful for our program when fans become ok with under performing or mediocrity from our MBB team.

Very well said!

[06Panther]

Whevever UNI needs to find a new coach, it will never be McDermott again. Thats been done, and will not be done again.

He left for Iowa State and that's that.

If Jake ever leaves, I think it is a very strong possibility that we just promote our lead assistant, Kyle Green.

[joefrog]

Then don't watch. You have clearly given up on the team.

Personally I would never be presumptuous or arrogant enough to think I cared more about the team than the players or coach. That's a completely asinine statement.

I usually don't. Sorry. After sitting through so many of the same type of losses in person the last two years has left me jaded. ISU fans deserve better. It shouldn't take 4 years to get things straightened out. Not in basketball. Not with our fan support and our arena, and especially not now with our facilities. No way.

I was a huge McD supporter until this fall. I think the UNI game just finished things for me. ISU got outplayed and outcoached by a lesser opponent on our home court. To an in state school. That should not happen, and yet it routinely does.

So my support as a fan comes with a price. I need to see some sustained success before I pay close attention again.

Yeah, hanging with #1 Texas is nice. But almost losing to a weak but well coached and inspired NDSU team is horrible.

So yeah, as long as McD is at ISU, I am pretty much going to feel like Monty Burns does about our BBall program. And I am very depressed to have to type that, because I had high hopes for our team under McD's leadership.

[jca1979]

This season isn't over yet. It could still be pretty, as could next year is Phillips and Ejim blend into the mix and Gilstrap comes back.

I am just continually amazed at how many "fans" have completely given up on this team.

That's not a fair statement. What do we as fans have to point to, what track record in his previous 3 1/2 years, that makes you say that it's going to be "pretty."

I think that there is a pretty strong trend that states just the opposite.

That being said, hopefully they take the idea of effort from the UT game, and carry that forward for the rest of the season.

[jca1979]

Whevever UNI needs to find a new coach, it will never be McDermott again. Thats been done, and will not be done again.

He left for Iowa State and that's that.

If Jake ever leaves, I think it is a very strong possibility that we just promote our lead assistant, Kyle Green.

This is the correct answer. Much like Mac left, and Jake was promoted. When Jake leaves, Kyle will get the job.

I don't see Jake leaving for a while though. I think watching his best friend struggle (to put it mildly) will force him to take deeper looks at any potential move.

Of course I could be wrong, and he doesn't fly back from the NCAA tournament with his players choosing to stop in Chicago for an interview like Mac did.

[ISUFan22]

That's not a fair statement. What do we as fans have to point to, what track record in his previous 3 1/2 years, that makes you say that it's going to be "pretty."

I think that there is a pretty strong trend that states just the opposite.

That being said, hopefully they take the idea of effort from the UT game, and carry that forward for the rest of the season.

This is the correct answer. Much like Mac left, and Jake was promoted. When Jake leaves, Kyle will get the job.

I don't see Jake leaving for a while though. I think watching his best friend struggle (to put it mildly) will force him to take deeper looks at any potential move.

Of course I could be wrong, and he doesn't fly back from the NCAA tournament with his players choosing to stop in Chicago for an interview like Mac did.

Perfect example of one of those very few I was talking about earlier.

McLOSER? Wow, I bet that made you feel better creating that.

Yay for you!