Playing Colvin - Mac's biggest mistake

**Tre4ISU** · 01-21-2010, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by JonDMiller

Motive is always a key...I can't know the motives of everyone involved, just as none of us can.

However, I wonder...I wonder if the motives were to let a guy back on that was going to help them win basketball games, and make it to the NCAA tournament. If that was the motive, and they took a vote based on that, and the coach allowed that 'vote' to speak for him, when it went against what he had said days earlier related to "I dont care if it costs me wins"....well, here we are.

You say "vote" like it was a simple majority. From what I have heard, this was a unanimous deal.

**jsb** · 01-21-2010, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by JonDMiller

Motive is always a key...I can't know the motives of everyone involved, just as none of us can.

However, I wonder...I wonder if the motives were to let a guy back on that was going to help them win basketball games, and make it to the NCAA tournament. If that was the motive, and they took a vote based on that, and the coach allowed that 'vote' to speak for him, when it went against what he had said days earlier related to "I dont care if it costs me wins"....well, here we are.

Good grief, Jon. Everyone has given up on Iowa State's chances for the NCAA. Most everyone had given up before Lucca left. I'm pretty sure that you all discussed that during your show where Steve has said that it was time for McDermott to go.

**Cyrocks** · 01-21-2010, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by RossHallHero

It's not a democracy.

What's the point of having a coach? May as well just have a ballot box in the locker room and one on the bench.

Should we press? Yes or No?
Who should start?

If we might need a timeout, the players on the bench could huddle like they did on Family Feud.

Survey says, "Coward".

Originally Posted by RossHallHero

I do take some relief in knowing that Mac was not rewarded from compromising his integrity.

So did it make you any happier to see ISU lose? Seems like you're saying that because if ISU would have won, then you would have been upset.

**CycloneErik** · 01-21-2010, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by jsb

Good grief, Jon. Everyone has given up on Iowa State's chances for the NCAA. Most everyone had given up before Lucca left. I'm pretty sure that you all discussed that during your show where Steve has said that it was time for McDermott to go.

I still haven't given up. Season ain't over.

**JonDMiller** · 01-21-2010, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by kg-cyclone

I'm not going to lie...I really don't care if you have a problem...IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU...It's about those guys in the locker room that only have each other. What do you think is more important? Caring what Jon thinks(or anybody else) or trusting the other guy in the fox hole?

I dont disagree with you here. What I think or say really doesn't matter much at all, if any, to ISU hoops. Not a bit. What I say isn't going to change ISU fans minds, because I'm a Hawk fan.

I get paid to talk about Iowa related sports stories and provide commentary on them. When people bring aspects of that into conversations, I may choose to enter the discussion then. Which is the only reason why I posted in this thread in the first place..had just planned on observing it.

**UNIGuy4Cy** · 01-21-2010, 10:47 AM

Is this an issue if they would have won by 20 last night? Does anyone know what the suspension was really for? The thing is, Mac has changed who he is because of the players leaving the program, to call him "scared" is an understatement. I think every day he wakes up asking himself who is going to leave this program today, I think he needs to be gone as something is not working and since I am not a player I do not know what that is, but do not underestimate what the loss of these top players has done to his mind.

**DaddyMac** · 01-21-2010, 10:47 AM

Am I the only one finding ironic humor in hawk fan casting judgement on an ISU coach and how he handles issues with players.

Gotta thank a few of you guys, been a crappy couple days and I really needed the comic relief.

**chuckd4735** · 01-21-2010, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by DaddyMac

Am I the only one finding ironic humor in hawk fan casting judgement on an ISU coach and how he handles issues with players.

Gotta thank a few of you guys, been a crappy couple days and I really needed the comic relief.

Yes, but at the same time, if this same situation happened over in Iowa City, this board would be ripping the decision and talking about how cowardly and desperate the move was.

**JonDMiller** · 01-21-2010, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by DaddyMac

Am I the only one finding ironic humor in hawk fan casting judgement on an ISU coach and how he handles issues with players.

Enter player #1 that I did not name in an earlier thread but who I had in mind ;)

**kg-cyclone** · 01-21-2010, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by JonDMiller

I dont disagree with you here. What I think or say really doesn't matter much at all, if any, to ISU hoops. Not a bit. What I say isn't going to change ISU fans minds, because I'm a Hawk fan.

I get paid to talk about Iowa related sports stories and provide commentary on them. When people bring aspects of that into conversations, I may choose to enter the discussion then. Which is the only reason why I posted in this thread in the first place..had just planned on observing it.

I know...being accurate helps creditability.

**Cyrocks** · 01-21-2010, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by JonDMiller

I wouldnt have had a problem if Mac had said he was suspended indefinitely, and then said the things he has said in recent days regarding Colvin and thinking he understands, how his attitude had turned around, and then played him vs Texas Tech. None at all. The coach knows more than I do about his team.

However, that's not what the coach said 13 days ago, that's not how he presented it, and that's not how the fanbase supported it.

Remember this line the great Lloyd Bridges uttered from "Airplane"?

"Looked like I picked the wrong time to quit smoking (or "give up drinking").

13 days ago he still had Lucca and Boozer. You are arguing semantics. Gmac should have handled his suspension announcement a little differently, no doubt about that.

**UNIGuy4Cy** · 01-21-2010, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by JonDMiller

Enter player #1 that I did not name in an earlier thread but who I had in mind ;)

You do a damn good job Jon, you are paid to voice your opinion and do so.

**Steve** · 01-21-2010, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

One would argue that we did not need his 7 minutes of contribution which lead to zero points, 2 fouls, and many poor shots.

If you are going to argue this with numbers, you should at least include the one that means the most - the score. There is a reason that most NBA box scores contain the +/- column. How the team does when you are on the court is the most important stat. For the game last night, you can get the numbers manually by reviewing the summary on the TT site.

Reviewing the +/- play-by-play stats show that Colvin ended up with a net zero in terms of game score in the minutes that he played. He was minus 7 in the first half and plus 7 in the 2nd half. Certainly not great, but decent when you consider the situation that he was thrown into and the fact that the team lost by 7.

Without checking all of the other numbers, I'm pretty sure that he might have been the only player on the team who didn't end up with a negative contribution. I did check Buckley for comparison and he ended up with a minus 9.

**RoseClone** · 01-21-2010, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by kg-cyclone

I listened this morning...Jon and Deace blew this up into something bigger than it was. Plus they didn't have all the facts, but I found it entertaining.

So have a lot of people. To me this is nothing. He suspended him, he can end the suspension anytime he wants. I never took Mac's statement as a PROMISE to me.

**jsb** · 01-21-2010, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by DaddyMac

Am I the only one finding ironic humor in hawk fan casting judgement on an ISU coach and how he handles issues with players.

Gotta thank a few of you guys, been a crappy couple days and I really needed the comic relief.

And we are talking about a bad attitude problem for god's sake. Not the cess-pool of criminal, legal, and life problems that plague the Hawks. For goodness sake, Lick has said that the kid with the clearly almost deadly alcohol problem will probably be back this year.