Playing Colvin - Mac's biggest mistake

**Tre4ISU** · 01-21-2010, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by RossHallHero

I don't mean this as a slight, but how old are you?

There is absolutely nothing in the coaching leadership manual about caving in to the wants of the players regarding discipline.

He's been a coach for a long time and if he doesn't have the ability to make this decision on his own and stick to it, we hired the wrong guy.

He lead us to believe he had the stomach for it, but he was lying.

Funny you never talk about your past coaching experiences. So you would rather have Mac go against the whole team. That sounds like a great idea. The team knew that we had no depth at the guard. Did you want a redshirt pulled ruining a year of eligibility for someone? There was going to be another player playing last night. Pick your player.

**PGreen ISU '92** · 01-21-2010, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by kg-cyclone

He was aware of his quote...It wasn't about winning or losing. It was about the team, which he had a discussion with each player. They ALL wanted Colvin to play.

KG -- I have more respect for you than anybody on this Board! However, this should not have been a team decision.

**CycloneWarning** · 01-21-2010, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

Morgan came in with a program that was in much better shape, and tore it apart. McDermott was left with Morgan's mess.

Seriously? ISU basketball was a national laughingstock after the pictures and firing of LE.

Did Morgan have some talent to use? Yes, but he was also the guy that helped recruit Stinson and Blalock, so if you think the program was in "much better shape", who do you think should get some credit for that?

**Tre4ISU** · 01-21-2010, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by RossHallHero

Yeah, the guys who have done nothing wrong would absolutely HATE that playing time.

Solid argument.

That's a pretty dumb argument when those guys are part of the whole team that wanted to bring him back. If those three have to split all of every game, the last 4-5 games would be brutal. They would be so burned out it's not even funny.

**Ames** · 01-21-2010, 08:57 AM

This thread makes me want to puke. Clearly most of you have never met Mac.

**chuckd4735** · 01-21-2010, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by akclone

Well, they fired Morgan and we haven't had a winning season since.

Morgan was heading downhill fast, and we got rid of him before it caused more problems, which I'm fully confident it would have. He had zero control over his team. ISU had, as you said, 2 NBA guards on there team and only were able to grab 6 Big 12 wins and no post season honers. Once Homan left, who was a Eustachy recruit, this team went downhill at a fast rate and there was not a single leader on the floor. They were academically horrible, and it cost us 2 scholarships during McDermott's first 2 years, I believe.

I'm not trying to stick up for McDermott here at all, but to say we would have been better off to keep Morgan is just flat out foolish.

**CycloneYoda** · 01-21-2010, 08:58 AM

AS soon as Colvin went in, I knew to avoid this place, for the same exact posters with the same exact agenda they have had for the last 2 seasons were going to jump on this opportunity to once again fault the coach.

Quite sad, really.

**SpokaneCY** · 01-21-2010, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

I know he was aware of the quote, I don't think he is an idiot.

I'm pretty sure most of the players on the team 3 years ago, if asked, would have also wanted Mike Taylor to be allowed to play.

Fact of the matter is that was 3 years ago, young into McD Big 12 coaching career. Now in year 4 desperate measures call upon desperate times.

GMas asked each and every player if Colvin would be welcomed back. Also he felt it unfair to CB and DG and others to have put so much in to be forced to play so short-handed. GMac honestly felt we would be in a situation to only be able to play 4 players. He said Colvin will remain the last guy on the bench until his stint is up but the team needed him. One of those leadership conundrums you get into once in a while where there actually ISN'T a right answer.

**chuckd4735** · 01-21-2010, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by CycloneWarning

Seriously? ISU basketball was a national laughingstock after the pictures and firing of LE.

Did Morgan have some talent to use? Yes, but he was also the guy that helped recruit Stinson and Blalock, so if you think the program was in "much better shape", who do you think should get some credit for that?

Eustachys mess did not cost us scholarships. Morgan cost us scholarships. Its pretty simple.

**Tre4ISU** · 01-21-2010, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by PGreen ISU '92

KG -- I have more respect for you than anybody on this Board! However, this should not have been a team decision.

Why not? they were there and know exactly what Colvin did to get himself in that position. They were the ones he disrespected. They have seen what he has done since to redeem himself. They are the ones that are here to win games and compete. If they feel it makes them better and he deserves to come back then I am fine with it. Had that not been the scenario I wouldn't feel that way.

**akclone** · 01-21-2010, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

Morgan was heading downhill fast, and we got rid of him before it caused more problems, which I'm fully confident it would have. He had zero control over his team. ISU had, as you said, 2 NBA guards on there team and only were able to grab 6 Big 12 wins and no post season honers. Once Homan left, who was a Eustachy recruit, this team went downhill at a fast rate and there was not a single leader on the floor. They were academically horrible, and it cost us 2 scholarships during McDermott's first 2 years, I believe.

I'm not trying to stick up for McDermott here at all, but to say we would have been better off to keep Morgan is just flat out foolish.

I guess we will never really know will we?

**CycloneWarning** · 01-21-2010, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

I'm aware he had winning records, but in his last year he had a team that HIGHLY underachieved and disappointed. In his final year, Morgan lead that team to a horrible 6-10 Big 12 record one year after getting to the second round of the NCAA tournament.

If 6-10 in one year is horrible, pls insert adjective for GMac's three years here>>>___________

And Morgan's last team was sorely lacking in big men once Homan graduated, so while it did underachieve, anyone that really thought it was going to be a great team was fooling themselves. Hilarious how if Morgan needed an opportunity to rebuild, he is described as "horrible", "disappointed", and "HiGHLY underachieved"; but there is an army of posters that make continual excuses for GMac year after year.

**Cyclonestate78** · 01-21-2010, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

This needs to stop, now. It's completely ****** to draw comparisons between the two. Chizik did not treat his players well at all...especially those he did not recruit. Slow your roll on this one...it's baseless.

Do we know for sure how he treats his players? They seem to like bailing out and we have one confirmed although it seems entirely shady that says that he had absolutely no relationship with the coach at all. That would be Wes Johnson. With his comments and the number of defections I think it is fair to ask the question of what is going on inside the program.

**mcblogerson** · 01-21-2010, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by michaelrr1

Very interesting quotes in the Register from Mac.

At the time of Colvin's suspension -

“I got in this profession because I love to coach basketball, and I love to help young people grow. If winning ever gets in the way of that, then I have to get out of it.

“(Colvin) needs to grow up. If it costs me a couple wins along the way, then so be it. He’s going to be better, and I’m going to sleep better because of that.”

After the game last night -

“I hated to do it, but given the choice I had, it was the only choice.”

Really??? The only choice??? I call BS. He could have stuck a student manager in there if it got to that point! Mac is gradually losing respect in his coaching abilities, but in one fell swoop, he's lost a lot more when it comes to standing by his convictions and his integrity.

“When Craig Brackins looks at you and says, ‘Mac, you don’t have a choice,’ I had to play him,” McDermott said.

Who the hell is running this team?? The inmates or the warden?

Up until now, it seemed like Mac was a great guy. Now, I don't know who the real Mac is.

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This is the dumbest thread I've read in a quite a while. So we shouldn't play a guy with attitude problems, even though we were down to 7 guys to rotate. I don't follow Cyclone athletics for it's high morality, I follow b/c I grew up an ISU fan, graduated from there and like watching the teams win.

**Tre4ISU** · 01-21-2010, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Cyclonestate78

Do we know for sure how he treats his players? They seem to like bailing out and we have one confirmed although it seems entirely shady that says that he had absolutely no relationship with the coach at all. That would be Wes Johnson. With his comments and the number of defections I think it is fair to ask the question of what is going on inside the program.

Craig Brackins.