Playing Colvin - Mac's biggest mistake

**chuckd4735** · 01-21-2010, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by CycloneWarning

If 6-10 in one year is horrible, pls insert adjective for GMac's three years here>>>___________

And Morgan's last team was sorely lacking in big men once Homan graduated, so while it did underachieve, anyone that really thought it was going to be a great team was fooling themselves. Hilarious how if Morgan needed an opportunity to rebuild, he is described as "horrible", "disappointed", and "HiGHLY underachieved"; but there is an army of posters that make continual excuses for GMac year after year.

Again I am not sticking up for McDermott here. I am just saying that Morgan was not a better person for the job.

**CyPride** · 01-21-2010, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

My only problem is McD said that if the suspension cost him games along the way, it was worth it. He saw not playing Colvin last night as detrimental to our chances of winning the game, obviously, so he lifted the suspension.

I was saying this yesterday, and I was being called names because of it. This was a bad move, no matter how you slice it. Some poster even said if the players voted for it, then it was ok......wow.

**CycloneWarning** · 01-21-2010, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

Eustachys mess did not cost us scholarships. Morgan cost us scholarships. Its pretty simple.

You are wrong. ISU's APR issues pre-dated Morgan.

And the loss of 2 scholarships for GMac's first year is just another lame excuse. He could barely fill the scholly's he had with D1 talent, so I am supposed to believe that getting to bring in two more marginal kids would have made a difference?

The hate for Morgan on the board is ridiculous. The guy was fired, what else do you want to accomplish by trashing him? Oh yeah, that is supposed to make GMac look better. Pathetic.

**Tre4ISU** · 01-21-2010, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by CyPride

I was saying this yesterday, and I was being called names because of it. This was a bad move, no matter how you slice it. Some poster even said if the players voted for it, then it was ok......wow.

It wasn't a vote. It was a unanimous opinion.

**cybsball20** · 01-21-2010, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by mcblogerson

This is the dumbest thread I've read in a quite a while. So we shouldn't play a guy with attitude problems, even though we were down to 7 guys to rotate. I don't follow Cyclone athletics for it's high morality, I follow b/c I grew up an ISU fan, graduated from there and like watching the teams win.

We actually had 8 players available without Colvin. One didn't see the floor at all.

**kg-cyclone** · 01-21-2010, 09:15 AM

Here's how things went down...Just going to say this once and leave it alone as it is very obvious we all have our own opinion.

Colvin made a mistake towards the team.

Mac talked to the team and they all said, punish him, but don't kick him off.

Mac suspends Colvin and talks to the press - we all know what he said...Mac needed to know if Colvin was serious about wanting to be part of the team.

Situation changes

Mac talks to the team and they all say, we need him.

Should we question the whole team's integrity? Should the team not be involved in a mistake made against them?

**chuckd4735** · 01-21-2010, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by CycloneWarning

You are wrong. ISU's APR issues pre-dated Morgan.

And the loss of 2 scholarships for GMac's first year is just another lame excuse. He could barely fill the scholly's he had with D1 talent, so I am supposed to believe that getting to bring in two more marginal kids would have made a difference?

The hate for Morgan on the board is ridiculous. The guy was fired, what else do you want to accomplish by trashing him? Oh yeah, that is supposed to make GMac look better. Pathetic.

Iowa State below NCAA standard, loses scholarships - Men's College Basketball - ESPN

This article was written in May of 2007, after McDermott's first year. Article says ISU was penalized 2 scholarships for the past season (McDermott's first year) because ISU's APR was too low over the 3 previous season, which coincidentally was the entire Morgan era.

The problem's may have predated Morgan, that I do not know, but obviously they did not improve what so ever under Morgan. They have improved under McDermott.

Once again, let me emphasize, I AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR MCDERMOTT!!! I am of the opinion that I would much rather have McDermott here than Morgan. Although I'm about to the point where I'm not sure if I will support McDermott much more.

**tigershoops31** · 01-21-2010, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by akclone

How did he tear it apart? We had 2 NBA guards on the team before they fired Morgan. Blame Pollard and Geoffrey for tearing down the program, not Morgan.

Good point, except you backed up the argument you were trying to dispute

1) WM wasn't able to take us to postseason play with those 2 NBA guards

2) Those 2 NBA guards were LE recruits, so it seems that the cupboard was obviously more full for Morgan than McDermott by your own admission...

Of course you'll find some way to twist this as another reason that McDermott should be fired because you're one of them that takes anything negative that happens and makes it McDermott's fault, but if we beat Kansas on Saturday you and all of the other "sky is falling" people will stop posting until the next negative thing happens...I bet some of you are a blast at parties

**josh777** · 01-21-2010, 09:17 AM

It's pretty simple what happened here...

Mac was put into a position that he couldn't predict at the time of giving the suspension (i.e. Boozer out, Lucca quiting). He could field a team and still compete but the risk is high(er) that something may happen in the course of a game and he would not be able to substitute confidently. Or, he could lift CC's suspension and have a more "appropriate" or solid sub if needed. He can't just lift the suspension via his own accord so he turns to the team and asks them what they think. By them all agreeing to reversing the decision he created an alibi to support his decision.

**khess83** · 01-21-2010, 09:19 AM

The funniest thing about this whole situation is how hard Jon Miller jumped on the bandwaggon of hating on this deciscion. He loves to rag on the Cyclones when they are down, and rub it in our face.

Deace's reaction is hilarious as well, would he feel this way if this happened at at Michigan?

**akclone** · 01-21-2010, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by tigershoops31

Good point, except you backed up the argument you were trying to dispute

1) WM wasn't able to take us to postseason play with those 2 NBA guards

2) Those 2 NBA guards were LE recruits, so it seems that the cupboard was obviously more full for Morgan than McDermott by your own admission...

Of course you'll find some way to twist this as another reason that McDermott should be fired because you're one of them that takes anything negative that happens and makes it McDermott's fault, but if we beat Kansas on Saturday you and all of the other "sky is falling" people will stop posting until the next negative thing happens...I bet some of you are a blast at parties

1) We did go to the postseason 2 of 3 years with those players

2)Who do you think actually recruited them to ISU?

**CycloneWarning** · 01-21-2010, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

Iowa State below NCAA standard, loses scholarships - Men's College Basketball - ESPN

This article was written in May of 2007, after McDermott's first year. Article says ISU was penalized 2 scholarships for the past season (McDermott's first year) because ISU's APR was too low over the 3 previous season, which coincidentally was the entire Morgan era.

The problem's may have predated Morgan, that I do not know, but obviously they did not improve what so ever under Morgan. They have improved under McDermott.

Yes, because the APR was measuring Academic Progress over the three years. So, if kids left the program under LE in his last two years, they were not around to graduate under WM and ISU showed poor graduation rates in those 3 years. How that is all WM's fault is beyond me. But it doesn't really matter, your hatred for the man seems to be "firmly entrenched".

**chuckd4735** · 01-21-2010, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by CycloneWarning

Yes, because the APR was measuring Academic Progress over the three years. So, if kids left the program under LE in his last two years, they were not around to graduate under WM and ISU showed poor graduation rates in those 3 years. How that is all WM's fault is beyond me. But it doesn't really matter, your hatred for the man seems to be "firmly entrenched".

How many kids left the program in Eustcheys last 2 years? I can think of 2 off the top of my head, Barnes and Haluska.

**CycloneErik** · 01-21-2010, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by khess83

The funniest thing about this whole situation is how hard Jon Miller jumped on the bandwaggon of hating on this deciscion. He loves to rag on the Cyclones when they are down, and rub it in our face.

Deace's reaction is hilarious as well, would he feel this way if this happened at at Michigan?

Deace feels however he has to in order to get people amped up and tuned in. For some reason, if listeners are emotionally agitated, they are more likely to listen than if they are not. So he picks something, jumps all over it, and probably barely remembers that the opinion ever happened.

**khess83** · 01-21-2010, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

Deace feels however he has to in order to get people amped up and tuned in. For some reason, if listeners are emotionally agitated, they are more likely to listen than if they are not. So he picks something, jumps all over it, and probably barely remembers that the opinion ever happened.

That is probably true because I am sitting here listening to the entire podcast. They have me hooked.

I think the only mistake McD made was to put a length on the suspension originally. I really don't think there is a leadership issue within the program.