Wikipedia has him listed as an assistant from 1976-1984.
I'm not "writing off" anyone. Pointed out a pretty obvious fact. Our track record with mid-majors isn't the best. While we're at it, I haven't "written off" GMac - as you have.
Why again is their "body of work" always not as strong and they're always a bigger risk?
(see, I can generalize across an entire group on your behalf too)
B - This comment absolutely baffles me..."trying to put togther decent results too soon"? What in the world are you talking about? We are in year four...that is a long time in the world of CBB. And it seems that McDermott is increasingly relying on JUCO guys the longer he has been at ISU...is that the what you expected?
1) Hire the right guy that can win over the players and recruits...a guy that they want to play for.
2) You don't need to wait another four years...turnarounds in CBB can happen pretty fast with the right coach.
3) I think you ask our existing coach to step aside on his own...if he is such a great guy he will agree to help us out. Failing that, you negotiate down his buyout with him. You then go out and get a proven coach from a major team / conference...maybe one that feels underappreciated or one that wants to coach where the fans are passionate about basketball or one that is in a big city playing 4th, 5th, 6th fiddle to a bunch of pro teams.
Greg played at a non-BCS school. All the teams he's been a coach of have been non-BCS. ISU was his first BSC interaction (other than playing against BCS schools).
It's an excellent point that was eluded to earlier. I supported the hire and don't regret that, but the transition to "big-time" just has not worked for Greg.
Like a lot of mid major coaches, he had some success at the right time and was able to jump ship for a higher paying job.
Hopefully he can find a way to right the ship but there have been no signs of that happening in the near (or distant) future.
This is the time also when JP will have to act when hiring new coach: "Here's my expectation. Here are our problems, I know it won't happen overnight, but I expect the fruit in (e.g) season 3 that we'll start having winning record. Meanwhile I expect that the team will be (1) clean from scandal and (2) play competitively. I expect support from you"
So JP has to set the standard and explain it to the fans, so fans understand.
People can accept the results not being great if there are signs of improvement. There has been NO improvement under McDermott. Paul Rhoads didn't make excuses, and he took his team to the 2nd highest # of wins in my lifetime.
B - I think you mis-understood my original comment. I'm not talking about 4 years after he got here. I am talking about year 1. Instead of bringing in Taylor and McIntosh and the others that never made it here for more than 2 years... maybe risk a worse season than he had year 1 and try to bring in an all-star class for year 2 with the promise of playing time. Instead... each year we've been plagued by some turnover and we keep trying to salvage each of those seasons with the best available guys at that point. I am on the fence about this issue... My original comment meant... "Maybe we would have been better off sacrificing Year 1 for a great Year 2 class.. and have an okay year 3, great year 4 and so on." Does that make more sense?
I'm trying no to take a stance on the topic of this thread... just soak in everybody's thoughts.
I think you're right on point 2. I just am trying to figure out what everyone thinks is the best way to do it is.
Can certainly accept losing the recruits who are not on our roster yet. Based on Gmac's track record we will be lucky if 1 or more of the recruits is a good Big 12 player anyway.
The only two players in our program that I would be worried about losing are Colvin and Ham. SC and the guys who will be Srs next year aren't going anywhere else to play basketball.
Based on 4-years of player retention under Gmac, it does not appear we have many players on our roster who are here mainly because they love our coach or his system. I don't think we would see a mass exodus if we make a change (like we did when we hired Gmac).
GMac and his agent are probably still chuckling to this day.:yes: