How to "start over"?

**WalkingCY** · 02-04-2010, 01:51 PM

How to start over? Get a good candidate(s) in mind for HC in 2010-11 right now: I think we could get this guy at a reasonable price:

Doug Wojcik

If we are looking, I hope the AD is taking notice of this guy:

There have been great coaches that have led the Tulsa Golden Hurricane basketball program -- Nolan Richardson . . . Tubby Smith . . . Bill Self -- three coaches who took the Hurricane to new levels.
Richardson led Tulsa to the 1981 NIT Championship in his first year . . . Smith guided the Hurricane to the school's first-ever NCAA "Sweet Sixt een" appearance in 1994 . . . Self took Tulsa to just five points shy of an NCAA Final Four appearance in 2000. Enter . . . Doug Wojcik. In four seasons, Wojcik has taken a nine-win team and has posted three consecutive 20+ win seasons, back-to-back 25+ win campaigns, advanced to the championship game of the 2008 and 2009 Conference USA Tournament, won the inaugural College Basketball Invitational post-season event in his third season and advanced to the NIT second round in his fourth year.

Wojcik enters his fifth season in 2009-10 having compiled an overall 81-53 career record. With those 81 victories, he ranks sixth on the school's career coaching wins list, passing the likes of both Smith and Self.

read profile:
The University of Tulsa Official Athletic Site

Why I like him:

18-4, 7-1 (Currently 1st in Conf. USA) in Conference play this season. (Looking to be dancing) "Fiery" when he has to, and is already established here in the "midwest" which would keep us right in the areas on where we like to recruit. Reminds me of records LE had before leaving Utah State.
DW Comes from a list of "winners" that coached before him, but showing even better success than they had.....at this day and time. Pretty impressive. Could this guy be a Cyclone? Make a step up to the B12? I hope so.

**Tornado man** · 02-04-2010, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

Greg played at a non-BCS school. All the teams he's been a coach of have been non-BCS. ISU was his first BSC interaction (other than playing against BCS schools).

It's an excellent point that was alluded to earlier. I supported the hire and don't regret that, but the transition to "big-time" just has not worked for Greg.

Fixed it for you.

Good thing Pitt didn't hear about this "BCS" connection; they never would have hired Ben Howland from Norther Arizona. Howland had zero BCS connections.
Also, good thing South Carolina didn't hear about this "BCS" connection, or they wouldn't have hired Darrin Horn from West. Kentucky last year. Horn had zero BCS connections.
Neither coach came from the "big time."

**snowcraig2.0** · 02-04-2010, 01:56 PM

Could we get this guy?

BYUCougars.com - BYU Staff Profile (Dave Rose)

**WalkingCY** · 02-04-2010, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

Could we get this guy?

BYUCougars.com - BYU Staff Profile (Dave Rose)

I like this guy too.

Mountain West and CUSA have some good coaches....that would like to "jump" to the B12 too. I say get someone that is showing great strides in success the past couple of years....and also getting his team dancing this year too.

**ISUFan22** · 02-04-2010, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

Fixed it for you.

Good thing Pitt didn't hear about this "BCS" connection; they never would have hired Ben Howland from Norther Arizona. Howland had zero BCS connections.
Also, good thing South Carolina didn't hear about this "BCS" connection, or they wouldn't have hired Darrin Horn from West. Kentucky last year. Horn had zero BCS connections.
Neither coach came from the "big time."

Grammar police, yay!

Howland - played some pro ball overseas and was the assistant at Gonzaga while Stockton was there.
Horn - was an assistant under Crean at Marquette

No BCS connections but "better" experience than Greg has.

**Tornado man** · 02-04-2010, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by WalkingCY

I like this guy too.

Mountain West and CUSA have some good coaches....that would like to "jump" to the B12 too. I say get someone that is showing great strides in success the past couple of years....and also getting his team dancing this year too.

I agree with you - the MWC and CUSA have coaches we should look at. Don't know if Rose would leave a program like BYU for us, but, the worst they can say is "no thanks."

**CloneIce** · 02-04-2010, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by dbronco7sc

My mistake... Railey.

I think we were recuriting somebody last named "Haley" as well and I mixed them up. I apologize.

Your right, we were I think he was a big guy too. Too many rhyming names.

**PGreen ISU '92** · 02-04-2010, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

Could we get this guy?

BYUCougars.com - BYU Staff Profile (Dave Rose)

Good choice for any program looking for a Men's Basketball Coach; however, Dave Rose has been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4268107

Pancreatic cancer is not one of the cancer's you want either. You only have a 37% chance of living more than 3 years. However, that may be good for our fan base because we usually want to fire a coach after Year 3.

**Tornado man** · 02-04-2010, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

Grammar police, yay!

Howland - played some pro ball overseas and was the assistant at Gonzaga while Stockton was there.
Horn - was an assistant under Crean at Marquette

No BCS connections but "better" experience than Greg has.

Gonzaga was a very, very obscure program when Stockton played, nothing like it is now. And far, far away from any "BCS" levels.
And, Marquette was in Conference USA when Horn coached there. Again, as I said, both coaches had zero BCS connections.

**CloneIce** · 02-04-2010, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneWarning

Exactly. I get so tired of people trying to say GMac deserves a NINE year contract over losing Jiri for 6 games, and not having two marginal scholarships to fill in year 1. It was simply a bone-headed move by JP to not distinguish between major violations and minor impacts. None of those issues could not have been overcome in an initial five year or six year contract term. Then you can extend based on actual performance, not automatic technicalities.

GMac and his agent are probably still chuckling to this day.

Yeah, the people who excuse the ridiculous 3 years of extensions seem to think there is no way to write a contract that distinguishes between major and minor violations (which is plainly incorrect of course).

I seriously wonder if there was some kind of mistake made in writing the contract. I can't believe Pollard could have possibly thought it was a good idea to give him one-year for each individual violation. Possibly it was meant to be one-year overall and they f-ed up writing and reviewing it... or it was only supposed to be for major violations and Gmac's agent snuck one past JP and his people. I mean think about it.... if Rashon, Jessan, and Ross also drove the wrong cars he would have 3 more years worth of extensions and a 12-yr contract?

The whole thing is just ridiculous, right down to the concept at its core: rewarding a new coach with contract extensions based on issues with the previous coaching staff, rather than based on the coach and his teams success. Its just crazy.

**snowcraig2.0** · 02-04-2010, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by PGreen ISU '92

Good choice for any program looking for a Men's Basketball Coach; however, Dave Rose has been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4268107

Pancreatic cancer is not one of the cancer's you want either. You only have a 37% chance of living more than 3 years. However, that may be good for our fan base because we usually want to fire a coach after Year 3.

If you do more research, it appears he is fully recovered.

**PGreen ISU '92** · 02-04-2010, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

If you do more research, it appears he is fully recovered.

True but Patrick Swayze was fully recovered to and went back to work on his t.v. series. Then boom it comes back-up and you're dead. Pancreatic cancer is maybe the nastiest cancer of them all.

**Tornado man** · 02-04-2010, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by PGreen ISU '92

True but Patrick Swayze was fully recovered to and went back to work on his t.v. series. Then boom it comes back-up and you're dead. Pancreatic cancer is maybe the nastiest cancer of them all.

Was there any documentation or any quotes from physicians that Swayze was "fully recovered?" I also read that, but I thought that just came from his people.
Just wondering...

**PGreen ISU '92** · 02-04-2010, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

Was there any documentation or any quotes from physicians that Swayze was "fully recovered?" I also read that, but I thought that just came from his people.
Just wondering...

Patrick Swayze called his recovery a "miracle" in People magazine on July 21st, 2008: Patrick Swayze Calls His Recovery a 'Miracle' - Health, Patrick Swayze : People.com and on September 14th, 2009 he was dead.

**jbhtexas** · 02-04-2010, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

Good thing Pitt didn't hear about this "BCS" connection; they never would have hired Ben Howland from Norther Arizona. Howland had zero BCS connections.
Also, good thing South Carolina didn't hear about this "BCS" connection, or they wouldn't have hired Darrin Horn from West. Kentucky last year. Horn had zero BCS connections.
Neither coach came from the "big time."

Yes, there are exceptions, Howland being one. Scott Drew is another. I'm sure you can find a few more. However, the majority of successful major conference coaches have major conference experience in their past.

And I wouldn't brag on Horn just jet. He had a good season last year, but it is not going quite as well for him this year, as he is already within two losses of his entire total for last year.

Should a vacancy occur at ISU, I just don't see ISU as being able to handle bringing in another coach who needs two or three years to figure out major conference MBB.