How to "start over"?

**kingcy** · 02-04-2010, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by WalkingCY

How to start over? Get a good candidate(s) in mind for HC in 2010-11 right now: I think we could get this guy at a reasonable price:

Doug Wojcik

If we are looking, I hope the AD is taking notice of this guy:

Can you say Todd Lickliter?

**Cyhart** · 02-04-2010, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by dbronco7sc

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Anyway... to the questions:

1. How do we change coaches without starting from scratch?

2. If we do start from scratch... given how our fans have been in waiting for too long for results as is... would our fans have enough patience left to wait "another 4 years" for results?

3. Any other thoughts on how to handle a coaching change?

How do you know we would be waiting another 4 years? I thought the exact same thing when Chizik bailed on us and forced us to start over yet again.
Enter Paul Rhoads.........

**MNCyGuy** · 02-04-2010, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Cyhart

How do you know we would be waiting another 4 years? I thought the exact same thing when Chizik bailed on us and forced us to start over yet again.
Enter Paul Rhoads.........

I don't think our expectations were as high for football as they would be for basketball.

**WalkingCY** · 02-04-2010, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by kingcy

Can you say Todd Lickliter?

Tulsa has a good basketball program at this point. When Memphis was top ranked in the country....Tulsa was the only squad in the CUSA that played with them... this guy is a good coach.

Butler is....in what, the Horizon league? I hold that the CUSA has much better coaching talent than the Horizon.

**Cyhart** · 02-04-2010, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by MNCyGuy

I don't think our expectations were as high for football as they would be for basketball.

Exactly. Its harder to turn a football program around than a basketball program. And Rhoads did it in one year. While a coaching change is never something you want to do, there is no reason to assume it will take years and years for someone to get us turned around in bball.

**kingcy** · 02-04-2010, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by WalkingCY

Tulsa has a good basketball program at this point. When Memphis was top ranked in the country....Tulsa was the only squad in the CUSA that played with them... this guy is a good coach.

Butler is....in what, the Horizon league? I hold that the CUSA has much better coaching talent than the Horizon.

I agree, but that program was alreayd built up. Just like Butler, just like Gonzaga, the list goes on and on of programs that just needed a good guy to take over and keep it on the right path. Dont be mistaken these are good coaches, but it takes a totaly differnt type of coach to build and maintain a program, than just maintain. I really think if a change is made ISU needs a coach with name req and a coach that will get national attention.

**Drive4cy** · 02-04-2010, 04:06 PM

We'll be starting all over again next year, regardless of who the coach is. The question you have to ask yourself is, would I rather start over with a guy who has failed in his first four years, or start over with a fresh face with new ideas?

Considering we're about to go 4-12 in conference again, I'll take door #2.

**WalkingCY** · 02-04-2010, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by kingcy

I agree, but that program was alreayd built up. Just like Butler, just like Gonzaga, the list goes on and on of programs that just needed a good guy to take over and keep it on the right path. Dont be mistaken these are good coaches, but it takes a totaly differnt type of coach to build and maintain a program, than just maintain. I really think if a change is made ISU needs a coach with name req and a coach that will get national attention.

Wrong, Tulsa was coming off of 9 wins the season before Doug Wojcik was hired. He is a huge prospect right now.....should be for us especially.

**HititHard** · 02-04-2010, 04:33 PM

I think the best solution is to change personnel but I understand that financial constraints might prevent it. If we can't do the best thing we should still do something.

When our neighbor to the west had issues with their football program they took an interim approach to firing the head coach. They brought back a storied solid individual to serve as AD and mentor the struggling coach. When they did make the change at coach having Osborne in the AD's office gave the program a certain stability that would not have been there without him at the helm. It seems to have worked out well for them.

If we cannot make a change at coach then we should at least consider this approach. The role would not have to be AD and could be a special consultant. The title doesn't matter as much as the role and the person. I think they should be as much a Cyclone as Osborne is a Husker. They should have high credibility with fans, players, and press.

**Cyhart** · 02-04-2010, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by HititHard

I think the best solution is to change personnel but I understand that financial constraints might prevent it. If we can't do the best thing we should still do something.

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You hear this alot. And I know it's true. However, we also cannot afford to have what is happening in Carver Arena, happen at Hilton. Lots of empty seats equals lots of lost money. We simply cannot allow our situation to get to the point Iowa is at.

**HititHard** · 02-04-2010, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Cyhart

You hear this alot. And I know it's true. However, we also cannot afford to have what is happening in Carver Arena, happen at Hilton. Lots of empty seats equals lots of lost money. We simply cannot allow our situation to get to the point Iowa is at.

I agree

**MNCyGuy** · 02-04-2010, 04:42 PM

Here's my plan to start over:

1)Fire McD
2)Don't hire a head coach
3)Auction off one week of being the head MBB coach for each week of the next year.
4)Use the proceeds to hire the new coach.

The benefits are two-fold:
1)We can afford a big-name coach
2)It hopefully shuts a lot of people up

**kingcy** · 02-04-2010, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by WalkingCY

Wrong, Tulsa was coming off of 9 wins the season before Doug Wojcik was hired. He is a huge prospect right now.....should be for us especially.

I stand corrected then. How well does he know the Big 12? Does he know what it takes to win at this level.

**dbronco7sc** · 02-04-2010, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Cyhart

How do you know we would be waiting another 4 years? I thought the exact same thing when Chizik bailed on us and forced us to start over yet again.
Enter Paul Rhoads.........

I don't... hence the "if".
Also... Rhodes got us to 6-6 regular season in his first year.
McDermott got us to 15-15 in his first regular season.

And I can see us at 15 wins again this year.

I love Rhoads and am excited about him as much as anybody. But he hasn't really done anything "better" than McDermott yet. Yeah he got post season by going .500. Well McD had the same winning percentage...

I don't know what will happen. But what happens if we have to start from scratch and the coach doesn't produce in his first 2 seasons. Have we already waited so long that we'll be at that guy's throat? Do we give him 4 years? What are the expectations?

Again... I'm not taking a side. I'm just producing questions.

**Cyhart** · 02-04-2010, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by dbronco7sc

I don't... hence the "if".
Also... Rhodes got us to 6-6 regular season in his first year.
McDermott got us to 15-15 in his first regular season.

And I can see us at 15 wins again this year.

I love Rhoads and am excited about him as much as anybody. But he hasn't really done anything "better" than McDermott yet. Yeah he got post season by going .500. Well McD had the same winning percentage...

I don't know what will happen. But what happens if we have to start from scratch and the coach doesn't produce in his first 2 seasons. Have we already waited so long that we'll be at that guy's throat? Do we give him 4 years? What are the expectations?

Again... I'm not taking a side. I'm just producing questions.

Thats a joke right??? His goal was to make a bowl game and win it. Amazingly, he accomplished that in his very first year. What is Gmac's goal?