What the national press thinks of ISU MBB

**acgclone** · 02-14-2010, 11:29 AM

No one should be surprised at the outcome of the KU game last night, if they have taken the previous conference games into account.

This didn't shock anyone. The fact that they beat us by 20 in Hilton is more frustrating and telling of our BBall stituation, IMO.

**atlantacyclone** · 02-14-2010, 11:31 AM

From the outside looking in ISU went from a tourney buster to a sure W in the win column for just about anyone. The real story is injury, depletion and some select two minute brain freezes that kept this from being a special season.

**heitclone** · 02-14-2010, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by acgclone

No one should be surprised at the outcome of the KU game last night, if they have taken the previous conference games into account.

This didn't shock anyone. The fact that they beat us by 20 in Hilton is more frustrating and telling of our BBall stituation, IMO.

Yea, I think the first loss was much harder to handle. A 14 point loss at the #1 team in the nation isn't awful, especially for a team that will more than likely be at or below .500, and the game was competitive for the first 30 minutes or so.

**heitclone** · 02-14-2010, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by ISUAlum2002

Did everyone expect KU's game against Texas to be a laugher? How about the game against Tennessee? Were those supposed to be laughers?

The point of this is that if ISU was even close to being in the top half of the conference, the AP and whoever else may not have expected it to be a laugher.

Who puts that much credibility in the media? All this guy did was look at the rankings and W/L record, he could care less about the current state of ISU basketball.

**Dave19642006** · 02-14-2010, 11:41 AM

All I can say, I feel for the players....NOT the coach

**JJ4ISU** · 02-14-2010, 11:44 AM

I think we'd be 2-8 in conference with Boozer, Staiger, Vanderbeken, etc.

**Al_4_State** · 02-14-2010, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by JCREEK

The game was on ESPNU and the announcers were very very complimentary of GMAC. They stated he is one of the most respected coaches in the Big 12. And that other coaches say he is one of the harder teams to prepare for. Well respected by everyone but some of our fans.

He's respected because all the other coaches in the conference want him to stay at ISU as long as possible. It keeps us from being a threat.

I bet Big 12 football coaches respect Dan Hawkins too.

**acgclone** · 02-14-2010, 12:07 PM

Nice guys like Gmac are always respected as men, but I'm not sure any of these opposing coaches respect his ability to beat the them.

If I were a coach in the BigXII, I would have nothing but good things to say about the guys I can chalk up in the win column.

**StLouisClone** · 02-14-2010, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by JJ4ISU

I think we'd be 2-8 in conference with Boozer, Staiger, Vanderbeken, etc.

Best post I've seen in a while. Would any of those guys even see playing time on teams like Kansas State or Oklahoma State?

This is not meant to be a knock on the players or GMac's coaching ability. I just don't think GMac is able to recruit as well as the rest of the Big 12. We need a coach who would have convinced Wesley Johnson to stay at ISU. Or would have got Harrison Barnes to sign with ISU.

**atlantacyclone** · 02-14-2010, 12:24 PM

I do think that we would have a better record with those guys. We lack depth and shooting and they bring a little bit of that to the table...

**SpokaneCY** · 02-14-2010, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by StLouisClone

Best post I've seen in a while. Would any of those guys even see playing time on teams like Kansas State or Oklahoma State?

This is not meant to be a knock on the players or GMac's coaching ability. I just don't think GMac is able to recruit as well as the rest of the Big 12. We need a coach who would have convinced Wesley Johnson to stay at ISU. Or would have got Harrison Barnes to sign with ISU.

GMac has recruited and coached 4 NBA/future NBA players and several others that will make lots and lots of money playing basketball. We've had some bad luck with injuries and defections but he has identified and brought in talent.

**nickwc** · 02-14-2010, 12:43 PM

we played better against them on the road than we did at home. were improving, baby steps.

**StLouisClone** · 02-14-2010, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by atlantacyclone

I do think that we would have a better record with those guys. We lack depth and shooting and they bring a little bit of that to the table...

Lucca's shooting would help, but it would be offset by his poor defense and rebounding. Boozer's defensive intensity and rebounding would help, but it would be offset by his lack of size and his inconsistency on offense.

That's the problem. You're looking at the positives that those guys bring but ignoring the negative. They are not as complete of players as the opponents we face.

I don't think our record would be any different except we MIGHT have been able to beat Kansas State. Most of our losses were blowouts with only a few exceptions. We lost to Texas Tech by 7 and Oklahoma by 5, but our outside shooting was not the problem in either of those games (we hit 10-22 from three point range against Tech and 10-19 from threes against OU). Christopherson hit 4-5 against OU. He didn't go into his slump until after that game.

The Kansas State loss (75-79) is the one game where Lucca might have been able to put us over the top. We shot only 5-23 from three point range including an ugly 0-4 effort from Christopherson.

So are you ready to give GMac a pass this season because Lucca's defection cost us one game? I don't understand that logic, and I don't see why GMac should be given any breaks because Lucca left the team. He recruits the players and if they aren't loyal enough to stick around for their coach, then that's just as much of a black eye on the coach as it is the player.

**xboxfever** · 02-14-2010, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by SpokaneCY

GMac has recruited and coached 4 NBA/future NBA players and several others that will make lots and lots of money playing basketball. We've had some bad luck with injuries and defections but he has identified and brought in talent.

What is coaching NBA players have to do with his all around recruiting? Mike Taylor came to ISU because he had discipline problems and was on the team for 1 year. Wesley Johnson came to ISU because he didn't play basketball his Senior year and he bolted from here the first chance he got. Craig Brackins may not even make a roster so actually he has coached 1 NBA player, a lock for the NBA, and a maybe to make the NBA. Colvin and Brackins are the only 2 players he has recruited where they had multiple high major offers. Majority of the players left had multiple mid major offers and maybe 1 or 2 high major offers including ISU. In other words GMAC recruits players he knows will come to ISU.

Tim Floyd, Larry Eustachy, and Wayne Morgan recruited all high major players and it proved on the court when they had winning records in the conference and made post season play. They competed with the best schools in the country for players and it payed off.

**twojman** · 02-14-2010, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by JCREEK

The game was on ESPNU and the announcers were very very complimentary of GMAC. They stated he is one of the most respected coaches in the Big 12. And that other coaches say he is one of the harder teams to prepare for. Well respected by everyone but some of our fans.

What are the league coaches saying when they have Brackins preseason first team all Big 12 and have Gilstrap as preseason newcomer of the year in the Big 12 yet rank ISU as the #8 team in the league preseason? To me it says they do not respect the way McD coaches. When you have frontline talent like that you should be challenging for a top 4 spot in the league and the NCAA tourney.

The same way I do not want Dan Hawkins out of Colorado, I am sure the other schools want McD to stay at ISU.