A new Wes Johnson Article

**chuckd4735** · 03-01-2010, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by marothisu

When you have people giving comments to the article like this:
"McDermott sounds like an idiot. And the team physician at Iowa State is a doofus for failing to properly evaluate the injury. Perhaps, though, they are not familiar with catscans and mri's, with and without contrast out in Iowa."

or

"Man the kid said he was in pain, if I were his family I would have seriously yelled at the Iowa State coach and his inept medical staff!!!"

I have friends who say the same thing and they aren't even from the midwest. They ask me almost every game we lose why our coach sucks so much. The general public's view of our program isn't very high right now.

Wherein lies the problem. From a school with SO MANY recruiting disadvantages to begin with, this stuff does nothing but hurt ISU.

**Dryburn** · 03-01-2010, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by jtd9046

I digress after this. You're still ignoring the fact that the staff offered him a red shirt because of the injury. They were obviously listening to the concerns of their 'star' player to do so. WJ turned that down. If you turn that down, I would think the expectations of the coaching staff and you as a fan would be that he would play.

WJ had the opportunity and the resources to get as much medical care as he wanted while at ISU. It's up to the player to continue to inform the coaching and medical staff from there. He chose to go a different direction after the season.

Quite honestly, I don't consider the red shirt offer much because the only place I recall reading or hearing about that was on this site. When was it offered? If it was offered at the start of the season, then I can understand why WJ would refuse it at that point. I am sure he thought he would get over the injury, or the doctors would find out what was wrong or something. It would not have made sense to offer the red shirt later in the year, when the injury started to cause serious problems (Nebraska game). At that point, the team had already played 21 games and only 10 remained, so a red shirt would not have been granted by the NCAA.

No matter what the expectations about him playing were, it should have been obvious there was still a problem. There was still swelling. And unless you think there is some reason WJ just did not want to play for ISU any more, there was still a reason (pain) that he was not wanting to play. Again, why would WJ fake an injury, or lie that he was in pain? Does that really make sense to you?

Something about this whole situation is not right. And then after this mess, Lucca, a starter suddenly decides he needs to go home in the middle of the season. Dendy supposedly mis-handles a couple of trips home, and the staff seems clueless as to what is going on, and Colvin, a freshman play no less, has the guts to walk out on his coach and team and gets called out by the head coach in the media. Yet, we are supposed to believe that Gmac is a great coach who handles players well and seemingly does nothing wrong (according to some on here). Right. Got it.

**marothisu** · 03-01-2010, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

Wherein lies the problem. From a school with SO MANY recruiting disadvantages to begin with, this stuff does nothing but hurt ISU.

Exactly. I'm not kidding you, we are almost a laughing stock to a lot of people, or a lot of people don't even know what we've been doing the last four seasons and just assume we suck and then just tell me "I remember when you guys had Fizer and Tinsley."

**jtd9046** · 03-01-2010, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Dryburn

Yet, we are supposed to believe that Gmac is a great coach who handles players well and seemingly does nothing wrong (according to some on here). Right. Got it.

Right. When have I ever posted anything close to that? This thread is about the WJ article.

Keep talking in circles bud, it will get you a long way.

**marothisu** · 03-01-2010, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by jtd9046

I digress after this. You're still ignoring the fact that the staff offered him a red shirt because of the injury. They were obviously listening to the concerns of their 'star' player to do so. WJ turned that down. If you turn that down, I would think the expectations of the coaching staff and you as a fan would be that he would play.

WJ had the opportunity and the resources to get as much medical care as he wanted while at ISU. It's up to the player to continue to inform the coaching and medical staff from there. He chose to go a different direction after the season.

"Hey, I know you're playing through tons of pain, but here's a redshirt!!!!"

No it doesn't work like that. Just because someone offers you **** doesn't mean you're going to take it and go from being ****** to elated. So if someone made you do something to harm yourself, and then they say "here's a redshirt!" you'd magically be happy and forget about everything?

Give me a break.

**jtd9046** · 03-01-2010, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Dryburn

Again, why would WJ fake an injury, or lie that he was in pain? Does that really make sense to you?

And when have I or anyone else in this thread stated that? It doesn't make sense, because that's not what we are arguing about.

I think we can all agree that there was pain and an injury. The staff obviously acknowledged that by limiting his minutes and providing him numerous opinions from medical professionals. But the point is, from the information the coaching staff had he was cleared to play.

**jtd9046** · 03-01-2010, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by marothisu

"Hey, I know you're playing through tons of pain, but here's a redshirt!!!!"

No it doesn't work like that. Just because someone offers you **** doesn't mean you're going to take it and go from being ****** to elated. So if someone made you do something to harm yourself, and then they say "here's a redshirt!" you'd magically be happy and forget about everything?

Give me a break.

LOL.

OR... it works like this.

Hey Wes, we cannot determine what is wrong at this point in time. But if the pain is serious enough where you think you cannot play, let's do a red shirt and put you in a better spot to succeed at ISU and beyond.

No? You don't want to red shirt? Ok, let's try to play through this pain then. We'll keep getting it x-rayed to see if anything is showing.

**marothisu** · 03-01-2010, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by jtd9046

LOL.

OR... it works like this.

Hey Wes, we cannot determine what is wrong at this point in time. But if the pain is serious enough where you think you cannot play, let's do a red shirt and put you in a better spot to succeed at ISU and beyond.

No? You don't want to red shirt? Ok, let's try to play through this pain then. We'll keep getting it x-rayed to see if anything is showing.

And we know it went like this.. how? Because this is how mature adults are supposed to handle situations similar to that, but don't always do it as such?

**jtd9046** · 03-01-2010, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by marothisu

And we know it went like this.. how? Because this is how mature adults are supposed to handle situations similar to that, but don't always do it as such?

And you know it went your way... how?

**Final42b** · 03-01-2010, 03:08 PM

doesnt paint a pretty picture thats for sure

**chuckd4735** · 03-01-2010, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by jtd9046

LOL.

OR... it works like this.

Hey Wes, we cannot determine what is wrong at this point in time. But if the pain is serious enough where you think you cannot play, let's do a red shirt and put you in a better spot to succeed at ISU and beyond.

No? You don't want to red shirt? Ok, let's try to play through this pain then. We'll keep getting it x-rayed to see if anything is showing.

Why would WJ take a red shirt if he had no idea what was wrong with him or how long it would take for him to feel better? How was he to know it would be a problem that would linger all year? Maybe he figured, since ISU could not detect anything, that it would be a problem that would heal in a few weeks.

The problem is, it was up to ISU to determine how serious the problem was, and they failed at doing that, for whatever reason. WJ put his trust into the ISU staff when he committed to ISU. They let him down on so many levels.

**marothisu** · 03-01-2010, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by jtd9046

And you know it went your way... how?

I don't, but there's no other information out there except for what Wes Johnson has said in more than one interview/article about him, so why would I claim otherwise if there's no other information out there on it? That would be pure speculation I couldn't prove.

Also besides the fact it makes our program look like **** to the general public who reads that because it's the only piece of information they have, and MOST people will take it for granted and believe it no matter what it is. Even if it wasn't true, it's what the public is reading. Perception and reality are two different things.

**Dryburn** · 03-01-2010, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by jtd9046

Right. When have I ever posted anything close to that? This thread is about the WJ article.

Keep talking in circles bud, it will get you a long way.

You keep supporting GMac, and saying how any other coach would have done the same thing. Saying that GMac was basically right in having WJ play through the pain. You certainly give the impression that you think GMac and staff did nothing wrong.

I am not talking in circles. You keep saying he was offered a red shirt..........well.....when was it offered? At the start of the season, which is the only time it would have made any sense? Or are you trying to say it was offered after the Colorado game, when he played only a few minutes? It would have made no sense to offer it at that point. When the injury really started to bother him later in the season, the red shirt would have made no sense. I can understand why WJ would refuse it at the start of the season, can't you?

**jtd9046** · 03-01-2010, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by marothisu

I don't, but there's no other information out there except for what Wes Johnson has said in more than one interview/article about him, so why would I claim otherwise if there's no other information out there on it? That would be pure speculation I couldn't prove.

Also besides the fact it makes our program look like **** to the general public who reads that because it's the only piece of information they have, and MOST people will take it for granted and believe it no matter what it is. Even if it wasn't true, it's what the public is reading. Perception and reality are two different things.

How does this make the program or McD look like ****? Here's a direct quote from the article:

About a month after Iowa State’s season ended, Carroll flew his brother up to see him in Michigan. And to see a doctor.

The doctor ordered X-rays, which revealed a stress fracture in Johnson’s left foot.

“Wes hadn’t been doing activity on it,” Carroll explained. “The X-rays they took at Iowa State couldn’t see anything because of all the blood and swelling.”

**chuckd4735** · 03-01-2010, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by jtd9046

How does this make the program or McD look like ****? Here's a direct quote from the article:

Because the ISU doctors should know that if there is "blood and swelling", that there may be something there that is not detectable, especially with WJ telling the doctors and coaches how much it hurt.

Knowing all this information, the doctors continued to clear him to play, and the coaches expected him to play...