McD approval rating?

**mikeiastat** · 03-07-2010, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Clonefan32

Any practical minded fan will see this win as what it is: a very bright spot in an otherwise dim year. While the win was great, it begs the question: Where was this all year?

It was there all year for those of us watching. There was always work to be done, but patching flat tires was too much of the work load this year. He had all he could handle to keep the wheels from falling off. And I'm just not ready to place all that blame on Mac when there is just so much selfishness going on with some of the quitters jumping around in the NCAA.

**ericlambi** · 03-07-2010, 04:55 PM

I've got to say I'm shocked by the poll results. Even if you think Mac shouldn't be fired (I don't have a strong opinion one way or another), I don't know how you can possibly approve of the job he's done.

**Tre4ISU** · 03-07-2010, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by ericlambi

I've got to say I'm shocked by the poll results. Even if you think Mac shouldn't be fired (I don't have a strong opinion one way or another), I don't know how you can possibly approve of the job he's done.

Exactly my position. I cannot see next year being better without Mac here. I don't know it will be better with him here. One thing I will say is that if we are significantly better next year I will hold him in a much higher regard because he will have done it with a team made up of role players. I actually think he is a better coach that way. Time will tell.

**Clonefan32** · 03-07-2010, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by mikeiastat

It was there all year for those of us watching. There was always work to be done, but patching flat tires was too much of the work load this year. He had all he could handle to keep the wheels from falling off. And I'm just not ready to place all that blame on Mac when there is just so much selfishness going on with some of the quitters jumping around in the NCAA.

Well I am one of those that was watching all year, and I still question where that effort was at all year. The team looked genearlly disinterested at times this year, and I am beyond confused as to how anyone could find that Mac's body of work over the past 4 years could be construed as a success?

**alarson** · 03-07-2010, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by ericlambi

I've got to say I'm shocked by the poll results. Even if you think Mac shouldn't be fired (I don't have a strong opinion one way or another), I don't know how you can possibly approve of the job he's done.

I think it shows the rollercoaster some on here go on. After a win go way too high, and after a loss go way too low.

Lets see this poll again if we lose in the first round of the b12tourney.

I hope we can pull the upset over UT, but lets be real, odds are against it, considering (iirc) McD has only twice followed a conference win with another conference win.

At this point, im resigned to the fact McD will be here next year and just have to hope for the best, and hope he can get it done... but i dont see how anyone can approve of his overall body of work at ISU at this point, whether or not you want him next year.

**Prone2Clone** · 03-07-2010, 05:14 PM

Conisdering it took a full four years to pull an upset, any upset...too little, too late.

**mikeiastat** · 03-07-2010, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Clonefan32

Well I am one of those that was watching all year, and I still question where that effort was at all year. The team looked genearlly disinterested at times this year, and I am beyond confused as to how anyone could find that Mac's body of work over the past 4 years could be construed as a success?

I think that basic reading comprehension would never give you that Idea. Nobody, I've ever known is happy with the body of work they are just saying that He has coached players up and the effort and improvement has been here all along. This isn't a high because of a win either. With or without this win there have been many improvements that Mac Has brought about.

I don't blame people for saying that there isn't enough improvement or the improvements don't overshadow the rut the program is in, but if you don't see that he is coaching kids up and keep saying Mac is a bad coach there's nothing more I can do to help you.

I See the results, we're not happy about the scores, but for the most part the lapses in effort have been segments of games that have just done us in. Do I wish we were tougher still before all the struggles, but I don't understand how people can say that mac has lost any of his teams, or didn't improve the vast majority of his players, especially the 4/5's and some of the 3's. Some guys couldn't hack it, some guys had setbacks, but I think it would be really interesting to transpose a chart of the "setbacks" and a chart of where we compared with game by game objective expetations. Like Sagarin predictors.

Again not making excauses about the overall product on the court, but to say Mac can't coach, is still premature. I know I'll get killed for saying this, but I'm still hopeful that at some point things will come together.

**wxman1** · 03-07-2010, 05:35 PM

Fully support him, the system is failing teams that are trying to build, it is too easy for players to leave. Players are selfish and inpatient so they usually jump ship at the first sign of hard times making it harder to build a program. The big name programs will continue to get better and better while the rest of us run in place and fight each other for mediocrity, were not alone by a long shot.

**Toasted40** · 03-07-2010, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by mikeiastat

I think that basic reading comprehension would never give you that Idea. Nobody, I've ever known is happy with the body of work they are just saying that He has coached players up and the effort and improvement has been here all along. This isn't a high because of a win either. With or without this win there have been many improvements that Mac Has brought about.

I don't blame people for saying that there isn't enough improvement or the improvements don't overshadow the rut the program is in, but if you don't see that he is coaching kids up and keep saying Mac is a bad coach there's nothing more I can do to help you.

I See the results, we're not happy about the scores, but for the most part the lapses in effort have been segments of games that have just done us in. Do I wish we were tougher still before all the struggles, but I don't understand how people can say that mac has lost any of his teams, or didn't improve the vast majority of his players, especially the 4/5's and some of the 3's. Some guys couldn't hack it, some guys had setbacks, but I think it would be really interesting to transpose a chart of the "setbacks" and a chart of where we compared with game by game objective expetations. Like Sagarin predictors.

Again not making excauses about the overall product on the court, but to say Mac can't coach, is still premature. I know I'll get killed for saying this, but I'm still hopeful that at some point things will come together.

Please.

Of course you are making excuses and justifications. You just threw in the "we're not happy with the results" nonsense to try to look like you are being objective.

Simple reading comprehension is enough to tell anyone that.

**mikeiastat** · 03-07-2010, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Prone2Clone

Conisdering it took a full four years to pull an upset, any upset...too little, too late.

If you believe that this is the first upset he has pulled off then you are a lost cause, If you want to be a drama queen fine. But just because this is the first team that he has beaten in the top 25 doesn't mean he's not responsible for more than a couple of upsets. Would I like the record against top 25 tallent to be better, yes, but Please tell me that you're just trying to inject more unneccesary drama and aren't really that clueless. We haven't been a top 25 for almost 10 years, we likely haven't been a top 50 team for almost that long.

Yes we won a game in the NCAA tourney, but I would bet the overall body of work for that year put us outside of the top 50 in the rpi. or any other objective ranking. By the way look at the year Saint Louis is having. If you don't understand that as an upset, then you don't understand the NCAA. We're improving hopefully we can take bigger steps. The world isn't all roses, but neither is the sky falling if we get behind this coach.

**wxman1** · 03-07-2010, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by mikeiastat

If you believe that this is the first upset he has pulled off then you are a lost cause, If you want to be a drama queen fine. But just because this is the first team that he has beaten in the top 25 doesn't mean he's not responsible for more than a couple of upsets. Would I like the record against top 25 tallent to be better, yes, but Please tell me that you're just trying to inject more unneccesary drama and aren't really that clueless. We haven't been a top 25 for almost 10 years, we likely haven't been a top 50 team for almost that long.

Yes we won a game in the NCAA tourney, but I would bet the overall body of work for that year put us outside of the top 50 in the rpi. or any other objective ranking. By the way look at the year Saint Louis is having. If you don't understand that as an upset, then you don't understand the NCAA. We're improving hopefully we can take bigger steps. The world isn't all roses, but neither is the sky falling if we get behind this coach.

I completely agree. Each year it is tougher and tougher to make the NCAA's for various reasons which is why there is such a big push to make it a 96 team field. I don't think that our team that year would make the tournament this year.

**Toasted40** · 03-07-2010, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by wxman1

I completely agree. Each year it is tougher and tougher to make the NCAA's for various reasons which is why there is such a big push to make it a 96 team field. I don't think that our team that year would make the tournament this year.

This is insane..

You know what that team did? THEY WON GAMES!!!

You know what Greg has NOT done since he has been here? WIN GAMES.

It is so sad that the "people" on here can't come up with any real evidence to support Greg. Instead it's the fans, the players, the league is too tough, the other coaches cheat, Wayne Morgan, etc etc

Look, I have no problem with Greg. I don' t know that he should come back, because he has done a poor job as the head coach at Iowa State.

BUT if the "people" are going to continue to try to guide debate and prop Greg up despite the record, and all of the off the court trouble with player retention. GIVE REAL REASONS for him. quit trying to shift attention from the reality of the situation. Defend Greg, but for reasons that are real.

This is pathetic. The AD should be ashamed.

**michaelrr1** · 03-07-2010, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by mikeiastat

I think that basic reading comprehension would never give you that Idea. Nobody, I've ever known is happy with the body of work they are just saying that He has coached players up and the effort and improvement has been here all along. This isn't a high because of a win either. With or without this win there have been many improvements that Mac Has brought about.

I don't blame people for saying that there isn't enough improvement or the improvements don't overshadow the rut the program is in, but if you don't see that he is coaching kids up and keep saying Mac is a bad coach there's nothing more I can do to help you.

I See the results, we're not happy about the scores, but for the most part the lapses in effort have been segments of games that have just done us in. Do I wish we were tougher still before all the struggles, but I don't understand how people can say that mac has lost any of his teams, or didn't improve the vast majority of his players, especially the 4/5's and some of the 3's. Some guys couldn't hack it, some guys had setbacks, but I think it would be really interesting to transpose a chart of the "setbacks" and a chart of where we compared with game by game objective expetations. Like Sagarin predictors.

Again not making excauses about the overall product on the court, but to say Mac can't coach, is still premature. I know I'll get killed for saying this, but I'm still hopeful that at some point things will come together.

You're going to need to give some examples for this. Just saying it doesn't make it true.

**wxman1** · 03-07-2010, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by michaelrr1

You're going to need to give some examples for this. Just saying it doesn't make it true.

improvement isn't always seen immediately especially with a young team like we have. Bash me all you want but this teams character has grown leaps and bounds this year and especially the last month, this will pay off huge in the off season and going into next year, then you will get the "improvements" you want to see.

When dealing with teenagers and young men that most of the time have only been pushed to be the best and not care about anyone else which is very evident in this team and many teams across the country you have to deal with their character and mind set first and teach them how to be a team player. Sadly sometimes this leads to players saying "screw you my mommy and daddy always told me I'm a star and the main thing" then they get to college and have to sit some and get discouraged and leave because they seem to think they are more important than the team. Colvin has shown a lot of growth this year and will turn into a phenomenal player in a year or two.

**Prone2Clone** · 03-07-2010, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by mikeiastat

By the way look at the year Saint Louis is having. If you don't understand that as an upset, then you don't understand the NCAA.

You're right. St. Louis has an RPI of 83 so I guess that really was an upset. So was the Bradley win. Too bad we didn't have Wofford, Weber State, William & Mary, and Fairfield on our schedule this year...we would have had a shot at four more upsets!

Signed,

Lost Cause Drama Queen